Is it on a red route?

In reply to a post by gary333:

It sounds like a "we don't want your business" type of quote. Win win for Openreach. I presume they want to focus on rolling out the masses and not have the hassle or risk of FTTPoD anymore.

It's clear (to me at least) that their resources (and industry resources in general - have you seen how many AltNets are out building new nets) are stretched trying to deliver their "Business As Usual" FTTP build commitments. They are actively discouraging FTTPoD now via prohibitive pricing.

There are other areas of the Openreach business that build out fibre as part of the BAU activity. Hello EAD!!

Sorry for the very delayed reply to update you all on the result of the build costs for FTTPoD.
After they came back *more expensive* than the desktop quote, I felt rather despondent!

Desktop Quote:
- Estimated Build Cost: £8,700.00 ex VAT
- Number of premises passed for FTTP: 19

Confirmed build charge:
- Labour: £5,716.00
- Contract Labour: £0.00
- Civils: £750.00
- Stores: £3,453.00
- BT Connection Charge: £495.00
- Deduction: £-1,215.00
- Field Survey charge: £-250.00
- Total: £8,949.00
- Total Inc VAT: £10,738.80
- With 1yr of Cerberus: £12,034.80

"Deductions of £50 per premises and £615.00 per FTTPoD order."

The list of Premises Passed was reduced from 19 to 12 (including my house).
I think that was the cause of the slight increase in costs - because the deduction was reduced.
I suspect this is because they decided to specify for a 12-port Optical Termination Box on the distribution point (pole). Therefore only a random selection of 11 of my neighbours would also have been included.

Given that the Openreach surveyor (that I met) did little to investigate the route, just looked at where I wanted it in my house, I am not convinced that they did very much more work than they did for the desktop quote.

Timeline:
- 2021-02-10: Desktop survey ordered from Cerberus
- 2021-02-22: Desktop survey returned
- 2021-02-22: Field survey ordered
- 2021-03-03: Openreach surveyor inspected my house
- 2021-03-23: Survey Build Charges returned by Cerberus


(I didn't continue with the order)

Another (less depressing) way to look at it is capital cost of £10K+VAT to get FTTP there for 12 premises.

Would there be any interest from your 11 other neighbours to form a CFP? Cost per premises would be much more appealing.

Hi,

To add to the conversation, I received a desktop quote:
Estimated Build Cost: £6,000.00 ex VAT
Number of premises passed for FTTP: 6

The Scottish Broadband Voucher Scheme is offering £5,000 for my address so I thought I would obtain a confirmed cost through Cerberus and paid the £250 + VAT survey fee.
I received the confirmed build charge as follows:
Confirmed build charge is £11,256.00 + VAT. (!)
Labour £7,643.00
Contract Labour £0.00
Civils £750.00
Stores £3,633.00
BT Connection Charge £495.00
Deduction £-1,015.00
Field Survey charge paid £-250.00
Total £11,256.00
(revised number of premises past: 8, including my property)

This is a residential street, built under 20 years ago. The properties are split between two VDSL cabinets, being at the tail-end I receive 17mbps, there is no Virgin Media (although its in the next street), and there are new builds in a site across the road with FTTP (so near, yet so far...).

In reply to a post by marty_m:

there are new builds in a site across the road with FTTP (so near, yet so far...).

Sweet talk one of the owners, pay for their connection in return for a WiFi link across the road. (And I mean a proper WiFi transmitter, not just connecting to their router!)

My desktop quote came back today from cerebus with estimate cost of £4,600 + vat with the number of properties passed being 7.

Will fttpod run above 330mb?? We have no alt nets expressing any interest, no VM and my exchange is not on the current Openreach roll out plans so very tempted to order a full survey at £250. Fttc is all eci cabs...

Thanks

In reply to a post by choppersrock:

My desktop quote came back today from cerebus with estimate cost of £4,600 + vat with the number of properties passed being 7.

It's almost a certainty that any full survey quote would be at least £8k.
If you wouldn't pay £8k then you may as well save yourself £250.

Will fttpod run above 330mb??

Yes. Cerberus sell a few tiers, including 450/75Mbps and 900/115Mbps.

https://www.cerberusnetworks.co.uk/connectivity-broa...

Edited by j0hn83 (Wed 02-Jun-21 12:27:32)

How come the BTw checker only advertises it as 330/30, then?

In reply to a post by Grimers:

How come the BTw checker only advertises it as 330/30, then?

As we know from those on here who have had FTTP go live it 'normally' changes to 1000/220 once the record is touched.