In reply to a post by 69bertie:

But you would think, in this day and age, the regulators would be running a compulsory central database to log such plans that joe public can check against

The real question is, "why?!"

In my opinion, if this existed, it would have no value. Plans change, and plans are not commitments.

If you're staying put, nothing actually changes for you until fibre is available to order.

However there is a real risk that this information would be used to influence purchasing decisions, from relatively small ones like "should I take a 2 year contract on this 4G SIM?" to huge ones like "should I buy this house?"

In that case, when plans change then people would get *very* upset, possibly to the point of dragging the source through the courts. Not to mention that the fibre builders themselves are trying to keep a degree of commercial confidentiality from each other, when business plans depend on stealing a lead on their competitors.

So in summary, I think such a database would be a very very bad idea.

You can already see the problem from this thread. Openreach have said they want to cover 80% of properties by December 2026. They have also published a list of exchanges in their plans - which as far as I can tell covers less than 80%. The result: people are venting their anger that their exchange is not listed. But it would be unrealistic to expect Openreach to plan out to a 5-year horizon; and even if they did, the plans would be so sketchy as to be not useful.

I totally agree with what you are saying, these discussions on the lack of Openreach's rollout plans for every single property are well trodden and is unlikely to change. I do think progress has been made with the 'Openreach Full Fibre Build Programme' document that they update every few months but you can't please all the people all the time sadly.

In reply to a post by Andrue:

In reply to a post by Jumping:

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

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They don't have to.

It's also not just new houses being built with FTTP that MrSaffron is referring to.
OpenReach are also retro fitting FTTP to housing built over the last 20-30 years.

If you can't get any info on a property it could just be that it has no current plans to be upgraded.

Which is why im so frustrated that you can't get any info when it will come and how a town with +30k is not on any roll out plans I seen that goes all the way to 2024 is absolutely shockingly poor.

No it's not. Your town just isn't important enough to get an upgrade within the next four years. Or at least not important enough to be a specific part of the roll-out. Maybe it will happen anyway but BT just aren't sure yet.

The problem with BT announcing more in-depth or longer term plans is that when they inevitably slip people like you whine and moan. As a result BT will now only announce those things it is absolutely sure of being able to do.

WOW, right ok I better stop having any thoughts then as the internet police has just came and slapped me with a wet fish.

The fact is UK is shockingly poor when it comes to the fiber roll out and its just talk from politicians and openreach when they promise stuff.

Doesn't change the fact that the lack of information is shocking and I think most people would be happy to have a rough date than no info.

In reply to a post by Jumping:

Doesn't change the fact that the lack of information is shocking and I think most people would be happy to have a rough date than no info.

Maybe you were too young to remember but we've been here before with the FTTC roll-out. We know what happens when BT gives out too much information. We know that people treat any date they are given, no matter how vaguely it is given as being gospel. Then they throw their toys out of the pram when the date slips.

BT is dealing with a lot of obstacles to complete this roll-out (a lot of them being out of their control such as councils and power companies). They have learnt that we as customers can't be trusted with extensive plans and information because most of us don't understand that circumstances can change. I think the level of information they are giving is about right. It's showing that progress is being made whilst minimising the amount of ammunition being given to over enthusiastic customers such as yourself. It's much better to have you moaning that you don't know what they are going to do than to have you ranting and raving because your exchange is a month late.

Edited by Andrue (Sun 13-Jun-21 20:41:48)

Doesn't change the fact that the lack of information is shocking and I think most people would be happy to have a rough date than no info.

Some point after December 2026, as it currently stands.

In reply to a post by Jumping:

The fact is UK is shockingly poor when it comes to the fiber roll out and its just talk from politicians and openreach when they promise stuff.

Doesn't change the fact that the lack of information is shocking and I think most people would be happy to have a rough date than no info.

Not only are OpenReach meeting their targets but they are increasing them and being more ambitious.

OpenReach are rolling out more FTTP in a week than the size of your town.
They don't owe you a fibre connection more than any other company do though.
Why aren't you huffing and puffing that CityFibre aren't rolling out to you?

Unfortunately with so many millions of properties in the UK no matter what anyone does it will take years to reach everyone.

They can't give you a rough date if they have no current plans to cover you...

In reply to a post by Jumping:

its just talk from politicians and openreach when they promise stuff.

Can you please provide a link to where Openreach promised you or your property full fibre broadband.

For what it's worth I'm not in a fibre first area, haven't been listed on any of the published Openreach rollout plans, and don't live on a relatively newly built estate, but my address flipped to "FTTP coming soon" on the Openreach checker last week. So it's not necessarily the case that nothing is going to happen before 2026.

I would expect rollout plans to be accelerated as much as is possible if the take-up of FTTP services is encouraging. There's also a possibility that CityFibre or any other number of AltNets could end up covering you.

In reply to a post by jpm:

For what it's worth I'm not in a fibre first area, haven't been listed on any of the published Openreach rollout plans, and don't live on a relatively newly built estate, but my address flipped to "FTTP coming soon" on the Openreach checker last week. So it's not necessarily the case that nothing is going to happen before 2026.

I would expect rollout plans to be accelerated as much as is possible if the take-up of FTTP services is encouraging. There's also a possibility that CityFibre or any other number of AltNets could end up covering you.

Isn't that the problem I been stating that there is no info beside the talk from politicians and openreach promising to roll it out.

Its fine I only expressed my frustration and that was a huuuge mistake it seems. So mods please just lock this thread as no point going on with this and im REALLY sorry for venting my frustration about lack of ANY information.

Your opening post was fine, and you got sensible replies.

Your second post was a bit stroppy.

Your third one very stroppy.

Then you started getting rude to those who had been trying to help you and explain things to you.

Hmmm.