In reply to a post by dect:

I think this thread highlights how important it is to get the ONT fitted in a place where it can stay for the long haul rather than it needing moving after a short period of time.

I know as time goes on people will move home and won't have a choice (as it will already be fitted) but for me personally a lounge wall is possibly the worse possible place for the end users although possibly the best place for an Openreach engineer to fit it.

Just out of interest as I am having openreach FTTP fitted next year if the roll out is on time as per what the OR team have been telling me for the last year (still on schedule). Will OR install an ONT in a different room to where the existing MK 5 copper master socket is located (in the lounge) (although there is no copper going to it as a couple of VM engineers decided to cut it when doing a repull), would they be able to put it on the second floor running the cable outside and along side of a gutter if the room is directly above the OR UG feed (by front door).

Do you happen to know how lient they tend to be running a cable along and up a building if its as simple as line of sight and round a VM omnibox. diagram attached below. Applogies for the quality i decided to use google map imagery as they updated it this week. VM omnibox hidden between plants.
Diagram

In reply to a post by RR_The_IT_Guy:

diagram attached below. Applogies for the quality i decided to use google map imagery as they updated it this week. VM omnibox hidden between plants.
Diagram

Sorry I can't answer your main question but I had to reply as I couldn't believe how close up the google street view of your property was.

Edited by deleted (Wed 11-Aug-21 23:29:48)

yeah they can't reverse out as its a private driveway with concealed boulders that literally damage bodywork and tires, it has been done many times by guests and people thinking they can reverse all the way back to the main road. They always try reversing a bit then they admit defeat and come back and turn around as there is only one car at the property and there is space for 3 or 4 at most they go quite far back to turn. which explains how close they are.

The ‘raw link’ works.

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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

My experience of those ‘little white boxes’ is that they are pants … high loss central, add to that, folk doing it themselves … getting dirt and bends where none existed previously …..

Not to mention that the eBay product introduces not one but two additional non-spliced joints in the fibre. A pretty poor way of doing it.

How much is typically 'spare' in the Openreach PON loss budget? How long until someone installs one of these which works as it's the right side of borderline, but subsequent work to the Openreach plant eats into the margin, breaking that customer's service...

A simple mated connection through coupler and short extension should (don’t try this if you’re a ham fisted herbert) only add 0.3 or tops 0.5 dB to the loss of the link.

Tip hygiene is numero uno, (properly clean your tips kids) especially with the small core size of single mode.


Adding more mated connections beyond that is just stupidity.

*** never look into the end of a connector on a live fibre net, unless you wish to risk suffering long term retinal damage either. ***

Edited by Pheasant (Thu 12-Aug-21 11:13:48)

Depending how handy you are, I'd be tempted to just have the cable exit the CSP on the top of the existing capping and then go up into the porch roof, and penetrate the wall inside the porch. This avoids any holes in external walls where the weather can get to them, and means you aren't running the fibre cable across a doorway.

I wouldn't advise moving the ONT yourself, at least when I checked mine with a specific checker it appears that Openreach have notes on where it was originally installed. Therefore Openreach will know you've moved it if they need to do any repairs or changes at your premises, providing the engineer checks notes I guess.


See this screenshot for what I mean

Looking at that a move of a couple of meters within the same room may be got away with but a move to another room probably not.

But, if extending it with personal purchases that would be obvious if an engineer visited so if anything goes wrong all of that would need to be taken out and it moved back so the engineer doesn't see the fibre extension.

Indeed. Within the same room should be fine, but I doubt another room will work unless it can be defined as the same type of room (e.g. another bedroom on the same floor in my case).

Edited by Ixel (Thu 12-Aug-21 12:38:05)

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The better option is to pay Openreach to move it (through the ISP). Advice is always helpful but some advice in the wrong hands can cause all sorts of issues and can cost a whole lot more when needing a professional to sort it out.

Edited by deleted (Thu 12-Aug-21 14:35:39)