In reply to a post by JakeRoof:

The question I have is, are they quite 'understanding' in the sense if we say to install it in a specific location?

The current BT copper line (from same pole) comes at the back of the house, then the wire goes all the way to the round to the side of the house.

As the ONT requires power, we were thinking of putting it at the front of the house (the closest place where there's a power socket - no other location coming all the way round is there a power socket or close to one). As I believe the ONT requires continuos power.

How likely are CityFibre to run it all the way round for this? I don't actually have any other way to get power to the side of the house it's at.

Since last time of me writing about this topic I have found that document about Cityfibre.

In reference to www.cityfibre.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/CF-Fact-Sheet_FTTH-Con...:

Standard criteria guidelines:
• Property boundary to building entry
point is circa15 metres

Extended/non-standard examples:
• Property boundary to entry point is over
circa 15 metres

LOL
So in summary, under 14 metres standard price, over 16 metres excess charges. In between, it depends on the installer and the quality of tea/coffee/biscuits on offer .

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by pluralist:

What is normally at the front but not part of the premises?

I think it may be tricky to define "front and back". I know of cases where there is no road at the "front" as the house faces a green park. I know of other houses that have a road at the front, and a service road at the back. Those people are lucky to have underground wires

Quite .

The first of your examples is very unusual, the second rare.

Industrial revolution terraces tended to have alleyways at the back, but not wide enough for vehicles, and rarely have telegraph poles. Telephones didn't exist when they were built, and even as late as the early 1960s the majority of households didn't have telephones anyway. A fact most people won't be aware of, as even people in their thirties I recently asked about mobile phones didn't know that mobiles haven't always existed. Only that they used to be big and heavy, often physically attached to their brick transformer.

Strange that a simple query should elicit such controversy, when its purpose was merely to try to help answer the installation question. As per the edit of the post that took place within a minute.

In fact it took ten days for anyone to query my post. To me that suggests mine wasn't a silly question). (Currently 549 thread views).

Also of interest is that we haven't heard from the OP since his opening post on 2 August. Given that he probably didn't post it late on the evening of going on holiday, I hope he is well.

Perhaps he simply rang CityFibre on the Monday and got a helpful reply.

In reply to a post by jpm:

All the '50s builds around here have the poles at the rear of the houses, presumably to keep the wires from crossing busier roads and to keep the streets looking less cluttered.

In gardens?

In reply to a post by pluralist:

The way you've written that it sounds like the pole is at the back of your house? Which sounds odd to me.

Pretty much every single property in every town around me is served by an overhead feed from telegraph poles in back gardens.

There's no properties fed by poles from the street and only new homes are underground feeds.

It isn't rare, it's just area specific.

Most of the homes around here were built in the 50's and 60's.

You're in Scotland aren't you John? Maybe there is a greater historic prevalence of overhead+back garden there.

In reply to a post by pluralist:

The first of your examples is very unusual, the second rare.

Yes, I forked the discussion, but my point is that the history of why overhead infrastructure is in certain location is going to be lost in time.

A fact most people won't be aware of, as even people in their thirties I recently asked about mobile phones didn't know that mobiles haven't always existed. Only that they used to be big and heavy, often physically attached to their brick transformer.

I'm a mid 70s child and grew up with friends whom had no phone or TV; and the revolutions of the 1980s were dramatic. Those born since the costs dropped dramatically in the 1990s will not have any reason to know. Of course anyone born in 1990 is now 31.

Strange that a simple query should elicit such controversy, when its purpose was merely to try to help answer the installation question.

More interest in why you were asking as the UK is incredibly diverse anything is possible anywhere!

I hope he is well.

Yeah.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

Most of the homes around here were built in the 50's and 60's.

Similar here, the town has history before, but the primary growth was for the airfield in the early 1900s and then in the 1950s huge expansion as the motorway cut us in half. In terms of phone and electricity cabling its a random collection of overhead and underground.

The things is, and here’s the thing … there is so much variety, so many different scenarios, that it is impossible to a ‘one size fits all’ approach. (and yet many companies still do)

Add to this that these new installations will be going in ‘an Englishman’s castle’ their pride and joy, which they’ve sweated to buy with, a myriad different options and views on what when and how it gets done. It’s surprising that anyone is happy at all.

When I started all those years ago, the customer could literally say ‘I want it there’ and by hook or crook, that’s where it went. You can see why companies ditched that model. People still expect aged extension wiring fixed (for free) because ‘BT fitted it’
{in the bloody seventies}

Look at all the stories these sparsely populated boards have thrown up already to do with their FTTP installs.


A shrewd person might be setting up their own company, which came and ran cat6 cabling from ONT locations to where folk want their internet related gubbins to be.

(It won’t be me, can’t stand running cable in properties)

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

A shrewd person might be setting up their own company, which came and ran cat6 cabling from ONT locations to where folk want their internet related gubbins to be.

(It won’t be me, can’t stand running cable in properties)

A lot of sparks will 'do' data cabling if you ask them, but it's not always done properly or even fully tested/certified (beyond a simple pair continuity test).

Many of the dedicated data cabling installation companies (the ones that have engineers certified to install particular manufactures cabling systems, that is offer a cabling system warranty) shy away from domestic work, because its usually not worth the hassle factor, unless they're cabling a substantial number of points. Even then retrofits are just hassle.

The best time to cable a property is when its either being (re)built or stripped out and refurbed.