A LR check will cost you £3.00 from https://www.gov.uk/search-property-information-land-... set up an account first is likely the easiest. It is an instant service and you download as a PDF.

A couple of ideas, if BT or rather Openreach remove the existing cable and drill out slightly larger for the copper plus the fibre, or if they had some shotgun copper and fibre in the van, it would just be "one" "cable".

Cheers!

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A LR check will cost you £3.00 from https://www.gov.uk/search-property-information-land-... set up an account first is likely the easiest. It is an instant service and you download as a PDF.

Would be £3 well spent.

In reply to a post by Ancient_Mariner:

A couple of ideas, if BT or rather Openreach remove the existing cable and drill out slightly larger for the copper plus the fibre, or if they had some shotgun copper and fibre in the van, it would just be "one" "cable".

Makes good sense but as the OP has said that currently they have only been given permission to use the copper Openreach line I personally would be getting permission before getting Openreach fibre installed.

Not much different to the "Grey Box" often used for copper installs

If the landlord complains you could point out that BT are switching off the PSTN and intend to retire then copper network.

I would be suspicious of any landlord encouraging you to use a particular network.

i assume you this is a recent build or might and they might have an exclusive agreement with Vigin media for this development / block whcih virgin will have paid money for paid paid the developer for

but it will be prob dual fed Virgin media for Fibre openreach for Copper

you will not be allowed to do FTTP there because of the fibre run into the building or apartment whcih is why you were told to ensure you ordered virgin media


@michaelchare that wont wash

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If the landlord complains you could point out that BT are switching off the PSTN and intend to retire then copper network.

I would be suspicious of any landlord encouraging you to use a particular network.

If it was me I would say the line stopped working and I called BT tech support, they sent an engineer who found a fault with the cable and who had to fit a new cable to make it work again. I mean technically it's not incorrect, its a service that will run in the same place and as far as i'm concerned it is a line replacement, there is no way to prove or disprove the copper line is broken if say the patching came undone or something.

In reply to a post by Fastman3:

i assume you this is a recent build or might and they might have an exclusive agreement with Vigin media for this development / block whcih virgin will have paid money for paid paid the developer for

but it will be prob dual fed Virgin media for Fibre openreach for Copper

you will not be allowed to do FTTP there because of the fibre run into the building or apartment whcih is why you were told to ensure you ordered virgin media


@michaelchare that wont wash

Won't Openreach have already had a wayleave signed for them by the management authority for the initial insulation of any product meaning they can fix or upgrade equipment. I'm not fully sure of how wayleaves work but am i correct thinking that, as I know VM's wayleaves state continued access to property while equipotent is still there. I would imagine Openreach would be the same.
I'm not sure, I don't fully know, correct me if i'm wrong of course.

The landlord might not be too bothered him/herself, but if the landlords lease forbids drilling of new holes, then you might be causing him/her a lot of hassle if/when the freeholder notices.

You also need to consider what happens if the landlord or freeholder insist the box is removed, either mid way through or at the end of the term. I doubt BT/openreach will be keen on removing it

It's a big no no, in my books unfortunately - Always get permission and in writing.

As the Landlord and Freeholder to a number of properties, i make it clear in our contracts that you are not to install any new Broadband / Satellite infrastructure without my consent. This is honestly down to just poor experience with the likes of Sky and Virgin Media engineers / contractors in the past when they've damaged the property when drilling into living rooms etc. Indeed, it also extends to situations where my units are not in a Freehold owned by myself and the 3rd Party Property management firm has it's own rules about what you drill into the external building.

However - I insist and believe it is a right to have access to decent quality broadband so where available i will almost always consent to having FTTP installed etc by BT etc, and i have had it installed through Openreach's Network in Advance service in certain areas. I just make sure i have one of my team there to supervise any install and to make sure any 'damage' is made good or touched up.

As you're only in this contract for 9 months, i would hate to hear that you'd lost your deposit if the landlord finds out and has a fit you didn't consult them or at worst, 6 months down the line they inspect / relist the property and kick you out for breach of contract.

Don't ask, don't get but for goodness sake get it in writing!

Edited by Whitehall11 (Mon 16-Aug-21 23:22:46)

I spoke to the landlord earlier and managed to get him to agree to the install, as long as he was there to supervise the drilling, but I did end up having to bribe him with half of the cashback I'm getting. Bit of a shame, but it will still be cheaper for me in the long run and I end up with 900mbps BT for less than the price of Virgin's 500mbps.

One of the things I mentioned to him was that even if I wanted a slower 36 or 62mbps service with BT, it would still have to be done over a new fibre line as they are phasing out their copper service, even on slower products. This renders the copper line useless unless I go with another Openreach-based ISP, although I didn't mention this possibility!