In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Given that contracts may be up to 2 years, I'd expect no renewals of PSTN being offered by 2023.

That’s an interesting observation! I wonder if / how that will pan out.

It will be down to individual CPs. They might choose to:

1. Supply a new router with in-built ATA
2. Send out a separate ATA that plugs into the existing router
3. Cease to offer voice services altogether - in which case they might offer to migrate your voice number to a SIP provider with a softphone or app, and/or let some customers leave.

BT and Sky have been doing (1) for a while. Talktalk have currently chosen (3) for their FTTP services, so they might do the same for FTTC; or they might come up with a voice solution and back-port it to future FTTP customers.

Indeed yes. I was thinking about the timeline. That in actual fact December 2025 deadline for WLR withdrawal will in some ways be a December 2023 deadline in a commercial sense for new/renewing services.

Something in the order of 4 million voice only circuits with no broadband, the bulk will no doubt be with BT. Still seems like a challenging prog.

There will quite possibly be quite a few that will ‘wither on the vine’ and not be migrated to VoIP I suspect, given the decades long decline in fixed line call volumes etc generally

Just ordered fttp from pulse8 and keeping copper voice only line. More expensive option but only 1 month contract. Suits my needs.

As a basic question, is the point at issue that your mother wants to retain the old-style copper technology or that she wants to retain a phone that looks and works like her existing connection of her existing landline number?

If the first, she is going to have to face up to the fact that sooner or later the copper technology is going to be removed anyway so she will have to change to a fibre connection whether she feels comfortable with that technology or not.

If it is the case that she wishes to retain kit at the user interface that looks and acts like her existing phone then it is immaterial what connection is used as there is kit available for fibre connection that looks and works just like her existing phone and which will still use her existing phone number. Perhaps it would help if you could put her mind at rest about that.

When your Mother's line went from copper to Digital Voice, did the telephone number transfer as well?

Also, I take it that she now has to key in the full 11-digit number of who she is calling, even if next door?

Many thanks.

Cheers!

In reply to a post by Ancient_Mariner:

When your Mother's line went from copper to Digital Voice, did the telephone number transfer as well?

Yes.

Also, I take it that she now has to key in the full 11-digit number of who she is calling, even if next door?

I would need to check that.

In reply to a post by Ancient_Mariner:

Also, I take it that she now has to key in the full 11-digit number of who she is calling, even if next door?

Many thanks.

Cheers!

I think thats become mandatary for the last year or so

In reply to a post by Taras:

In reply to a post by Ancient_Mariner:

Also, I take it that she now has to key in the full 11-digit number of who she is calling, even if next door?

Many thanks.

Cheers!

I think thats become mandatary for the last year or so

I don't think it is a universal requirement on PSTN lines yet although it has been trialled in some areas. OfCOM have a consultation document out with a set of proposals due in the autumn where it is expected that the local dialling will be discontinued. The rationale behind the proposal is that it will free up a new range of of numbers. For example Bournemouth (STD code 01202) is one of the areas where the local dialling has been discontinued. This has freed up the range of numbers 01202 0XX XXXX. When local dialling was enabled numbers in the 0XX XXXX local range could not be used due to the conflict with STD codes so an additional million numbers available (give or take).

Edited by GonePostal (Thu 16-Sep-21 18:21:19)

Dialling plans and local number prefix is a well supported feature in many VoIP phone bases or handsets. I used to do it in asterisk but I know for example the trusty Gigaset N300 series of DECT bases (which has both VoIP and PSTN capable ports) support it as well as many soft phones.

The consultation was due to end on 2nd July 2021:
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/04/ofcom-...

Back in around 2014, local dialing was proposed to be withdrawn in 5 areas other than 01202:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0032...

Aberdeen (01224), Bradford (01274), Brighton (01273), Middlesbrough (01642) and Milton Keynes (01908)

I don't know if it happened or not.