In reply to a post by burble:

As this, I have friends who have choice of FTTP, but with speeds that meet their needs why bother changing.

Because eventually there will be a "Stop Sell" on their serving exchange, so will need to move over anyway.

In reply to a post by kitcat:

Also have to take into account that many people will still be in contract and most of those on FTTC will be happy with their speed so won't change just for the sake of it.

True, but I know a lot of people whom pay for 80/20 and receive 40/10 or 40/5 and would really like faster uplink for home working. Even 40/20 would be good for them. FTTP would solve that instantly.

Most normal non-techy people don't really need more than 50mbit say. Anything faster makes no real difference for browsing.

It'll need specific use cases to prompt a lot of them - like fttp being needed to get tv over internet say. Or with my parents the other week, I setup cloud backup, and it literally took two weeks of uploading on their [censored] adsl2 connection. They're overloaded with options too - cable, bt fttp, cityfibre fttp.

Edited by arfster (Fri 17-Dec-21 13:57:43)

There may also be another factor here and that is having the hassle of an engineer visit and possibly having equipment mounted on the wall.

In my own case I'd have probably gone firstly to FTTC had I been able to get it as that would have been enough having gone from a 4 Meg ADSL connection.

FTTP or ADSL were the only options at the time (as OR didn't roll out FTTC because they had rolled out FTTP)

I'd have probably FTTC because it weould have been a case of placing the order and it going live on a certain day, like ADSL so no need to book days off work etc.

My hand was forced when it looked like I might have to work from home due to weather in early December and my connection started to flap.


Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't go back and all the OR engineer that came to do the install was great bit I did obviously have to book time off to be at home.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

I know a lot of people whom pay for 80/20 and receive 40/10 or 40/5 and would really like faster uplink for home working.

I didn't know we'd met!
But this is me, paying for 80/20 to get < goes and checks > 46/13. By the time I get FTTP I think my need for a decent upload speed will have disappeared.

I got direct mail from BT and Sky about a month or two after I had my FTTP installed. Some people will be on contracts too so might not want to upgrade until that ends, or not want to upgrade with their existing provider..

john

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

I didn't know we'd met!
But this is me, paying for 80/20 to get < goes and checks > 46/13. By the time I get FTTP I think my need for a decent upload speed will have disappeared.

My old 80/20 gave me 50/8 to start with, but degraded to 40/2 and I left in 2019 to go to VM, now getting 200/20 but with random disconnections - still better for home working. Would prefer FTTP but no sign in this town.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Not a surprise, as the general public (whom don't know about this forum) would assume it would cost more than existing service. Not aware you can order (on BTwholesale at least) the cheaper services and just get the speed you're paying for.

Until the wholesale cost reductions actually feed through to ISP offerings to customers most people will be uninterested in migrating. If the service is adequate for their needs they aren't going to voluntarily pay more, only those with poor speed/reliability FTTC/ADSL service, a genuine need or wanting bragging rights.

For example Zen only appear to offer 100/18, 300/47, 500/70 & 900/100 options for FTTP (likely the wholesale 110/20, 330/50, 550/75 & 1000/115 products), nothing to match 40/10 or 80/20 on FTTC, so it would be around 27% price increase moving from 40/10 FTTC to FTTP.

Same here! But, without that mail, not many people would know.

BT consumer sell FTTC and FTTP at identical prices, and you have a choice of 40/10, 55/10 or 80/20. If you're looking for the cheapest price, then you wouldn't be going with Zen anyway.

80/20 and 115/20 are priced identically at wholesale IIRC, so I think Zen have chosen to do the obvious thing which is to provide 115/20 only.