I'm currently on FttC 80/20 and get 80/20 which has been stable for years.
Pings in games are 7ms so i have no real reason to upgrade as it does everything I need.

I will be moving to FttP (400/400 initially) next year though as it is approx. the same price and I can lose the home phone which wasn't an option in my current contract.

It was very difficult to get 30% of properties to sign up to Gigaclear when the alternative was was sub 2mbps ADSL. In those days web pages were probably less complex and therefore faster to load than modern ones.

At another location I have 40/10 VDSL, The 10 is more like 6, but even so I do not want to pay more for FTTP but I would not object to having it for the same price which at the moment is supplied by Plusnet for just under £20 pm after they agreed to a price match with Vodafone.

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As this, I have friends who have choice of FTTP, but with speeds that meet their needs why bother changing.

Because eventually there will be a "Stop Sell" on their serving exchange, so will need to move over anyway.

That may well be what happens in the future, but the OP is about the present and how many are (or not) moving to FTTP.

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As this, I have friends who have choice of FTTP, but with speeds that meet their needs why bother changing.

Because eventually there will be a "Stop Sell" on their serving exchange, so will need to move over anyway.

That may well be what happens in the future, but the OP is about the present and how many are (or not) moving to FTTP.

Stop Sell basically takes 2 forms:

1. FTTP Priority Exchange
2. WLR withdrawal (PSTN retirement)

The former is already underway, there are 134 exchange areas already under stop sell and every quarter they announce the next tranche. See here

The latter will be national, effective late 2023, but repercussions are already manifest with large ISP like BT proactively moving folks over from copper PSTN to router VoIP.

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BT consumer sell FTTC and FTTP at identical prices, and you have a choice of 40/10, 55/10 or 80/20. If you're looking for the cheapest price, then you wouldn't be going with Zen anyway.

Maybe more expensive compared to initial 12/18 month contract offers, but less expensive than many out-of-contract prices. I was using them as an example to highlight the stealth price increase which would also apply to people in stop sell areas unless they went with BT retail, I've not checked the other large ISPs to see what they offer.

80/20 and 115/20 are priced identically at wholesale IIRC, so I think Zen have chosen to do the obvious thing which is to provide 115/20 only.

AFAIK Openreach are reducing the FTTP wholesale charges to encourage takeup, if ISPs do not pass some of this on and just keep it to make extra profit it doesn't help.

They've spent so long telling people with FTTC or Cable that they already have fibre that people are rightly confused when they get a leaflet telling them they can...now get fibre!

The thing is, we're hardly paying any more for BT's Full Fibre 900 package than we were when we were on their 55/10 package.

True, but I don't see the point in delaying moving over to a service when it's going to be the only option, later on down the line.

Exactly, that's why FTTC should've never been advertised as "fibre", no wonder there's little FTTP takeup.

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Whilst I agree with the sentiment, I'm not sure the naming makes much difference in practice. If the service people have today is good enough for their needs, why would they switch to a better service - especially if it means they have to pay more?

Lack of support from budget ISPs is a problem. If you're paying £22 per month for FTTC on Plusnet or Talktalk, you're going to stick. Plusnet don't offer FTTP at all, and Talktalk only offer expensive ultrafast packages without voice service. (This may change if they join up to Equinox)

It's a bit different for BT, who charge the same for FTTC and FTTP. They can easily move people over to FTTP at contract renewal time: "good news! when you renew with us, we'll upgrade you to FTTP! No extra charge, and you'll get the full speed you pay for! Blah blah blah." If there are BT customers who stay on FTTC even when FTTP is available, only BT are to blame.

no wonder there's little FTTP takeup.

I think the OP was making the opposite point: that the Ofcom-claimed FTTP takeup of 25% is higher than they expected.