In reply to a post by jchamier:

Not a surprise, as the general public (whom don't know about this forum) would assume it would cost more than existing service. Not aware you can order (on BTwholesale at least) the cheaper services and just get the speed you're paying for.

Sometimes it does cost more, i am paying £23 a month at the moment for 35Mb/s with Plusnet FTTC, when zzoomm offers their FTTP, it will be £29 a month, some people are getting FTTc cheaper than that. Now is doing a 12 month contract at £21 a month, which if Plusnet don't do me a good offer I may move to.
zzoomm is supposed to come here by me in Spring next year. 150Mb/s for £29 a month, my contract with Plusnet ends next month.
34Mb/s is more than enough for me to be honest, so why pay more?

Same reason everyone isn't running out and buying electric cars right now.

Zzoom isn’t Openreach/BTwholesale so you can’t compare pricing directly with Plusnet FTTC

Of course over 50% of the country can’t or has problems charging at home. (BBC report yesterday). Using public chargers is apparently 70% more expensive.

Government needs to work on this problem!

Double the number that bought them same time last year. Nearly 20% of total vehicle sales last month were BEV…market share doubled in 12 months. Diesel is dead in the cities and petrol is dying on its feet…

https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

I switched to Vodafone when I got my renewal notice from plusnet with the price increasing.
Didn't call to get a better price as as was getting a good deal from vodafone, took the 100Mbps package as recently got a unifi setup and the hardware I have at the moment won't go much higher and I don't need anything higher. Was getting 55Mbps down as I was on an old deal which they didn't regrade to 40 but line speed max was around 60ish. They improved the offer to 50p less than I'm paying now but for the sped increase both ways I'm happy to pay the extra for FTTP.
The 100 both ways will do me for some time, also took the opertunity to port my number to Voip as I asked for a new line from vodafone so anyone calling my "house number" actually gets my mobile or the wifes depending on who answers first, am thinking of adding an adaptor so I can get the calls on the old house phone

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Zzoom isn’t Openreach/BTwholesale so you can’t compare pricing directly with Plusnet FTTC

I never said it was openreach, I was just saying that prices are still higher for FTTH and that is why people are not going for it. zzoomm, while an alternative network is the same with higher prices than i am paying now.

Vodafone is just over £20 for 35Mb/s FTTC, but I had a fall-out with Vodafone a few years ago with their mobile phone network, also their contract is 24 months, i don't want one that long just in case i decide to go for zzoomm, apart from a couple of streets that have Openreach FDTTH for some reason, ZZoomm is the only one building a pure fibre network here

I saw on think broadband a while ago that Openreach was supposed to be building a network here, but so far nothing,
My home phone is already on Voip, I have been using sipgate for a few years now, not that I use it much to be honest and the only people that phone me on it now is Work, my brother and the NHS.
We will see what happens next year and if Zzoomm is close to coming up here, at the moment they seem to be all over the place.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

zzoomm, while an alternative network is the same with higher prices than i am paying now.

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Most Altnet's only provide access to their own ISP, so less choice than Openreach or CityFibre networks. Less choice normally means higher prices.

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In reply to a post by zyborg47:

zzoomm, while an alternative network is the same with higher prices than i am paying now.

But if you had Openreach FTTP then the ISP should be able to move you over to the new physical connection from FTTC for the same price

Not necessarily. At wholesale Openreach FTTP is more expensive than FTTC: so the ISP has to make a commercial decision whether to offer FTTP at the same price and take a financial hit or not.

BT has decided to do so, because they own Openreach, and it's in their overall interest to get as many people onto FTTP as soon as possible. Not to mention that their base retail offering isn't particularly cheap.

Other ISPs might do so in order to take advantage of the "Equinox" offer, which requires them to meet a certain percentage of migrations to FTTP. But if they choose this route, they might decide to drop the lower levels of service completely, or price them higher than they do today.

Under the current regulated pricing GEA FTTC 40/10 is only £5.05+VAT wholesale per month, whilst FTTP 40/10 is £13.93+VAT per month. (That's just for the tail to the exchange, and doesn't include all the other ISP costs like backhaul, transit, billing, support, router etc)

References:
https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/prici...
https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/prici...

For upcoming pricing, see:
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/07/openre...
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/08/openre...