In reply to a post by candlerb:

Not necessarily. At wholesale Openreach FTTP is more expensive than FTTC: so the ISP has to make a commercial decision whether to offer FTTP at the same price and take a financial hit or not.

Gotcha, thanks for the links. I was thinking BT retail obviously. What a shame.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

zzoomm, while an alternative network is the same with higher prices than i am paying now.

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Most Altnet's only provide access to their own ISP, so less choice than Openreach or CityFibre networks. Less choice normally means higher prices.

Yes, zzoomm will only provide access to their own ISP, but someone somewhere, I think it was on Facebook told me that in the future they may allow other ISPs to use it.

We will see what happens next year.

I think your FTTC prices are the ones that sit on top of WLR - to do a comparison you'd need to use the SoGEA list

https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/prici...

SoGEA 80/20 is £206.40/year, FTTP 80/20 is £209.28/year. So there's a cost difference but it's almost a rounding error.

Even though that's a slightly weird way to put it, you do have a point!

Edited by Grimers (Mon 20-Dec-21 17:47:09)

Oh yes, you're right. I thought it was suspiciously low.

So FTTC 40/10 is £12.23 per month, while FTTP is £13.93. In the cut-throat low-end ISP world of Talktalk, Plusnet and Vodafone, a £1.70(+VAT) price differential is still quite significant.

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

According to Ofcom "only" 25% of folk take FTTP when its available. I had the impression from hereabouts that 25% was well in excess of expectation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59683884

Plenty of people see no need for more, and especially if it costs more.

People on sites like this aren't that representative of the norm.

I have customers on ADSL still and they still think that's sufficient for them despite having other options. Personally I couldn't live with it, but plenty can and see no issue.

In reply to a post by Grimers:

Exactly, that's why FTTC should've never been advertised as "fibre", no wonder there's little FTTP takeup.

That isn't why the take up isn't that high.

Other factors like:

(a) Major providers didn't even do FTTP until recently and still are often half-baked
(b) A lot of people don't need/want/care for more speed
(c) Cost

are more important. The name whilst confusing at times doesn't factor in any significant way.

Strangely I have just upgraded my bb service from BT 150/30service to their 500/75 service and it has cost me only an extra £3.40 a month. Do i need the extra speed? probably not but for that price why not?

In reply to a post by threelegs:

Strangely I have just upgraded my bb service from BT 150/30service to their 500/75 service and it has cost me only an extra £3.40 a month. Do i need the extra speed? probably not but for that price why not?

The real question is, was you paying too much for the 150 or did you get the 500 for a real good price?

i got a big continuing discount on the original service over two years ago because they screwed up the order about 4 times and ended up paying £34.99 rising to £36.56 and i have now got 500 for £39.99 including landline and their new payg phone package. ok the phone calls out are expensive but outgoing calls we will use mobiles and just use the landline for incoming and 0800 calls. will go voip soon though.