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In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Yes FTTP is a (pretty big) jigsaw part of their long term transformation change to ‘All IP’ - the savings from which will be in the long term enormous as they allude in every quarterly results report….
- Openreach get out of voice provision entirely with the retirement of PSTN (WLR withdrawal) nationally at the end of 2025
- reduce their exchange estate to 1/5 of it current size over the next two decades
- in tandem retire the bulk of the FTTC / copper estate as FTTP becomes the predominant delivery technology for IP over the next decade

Right now their absolute focus is to accelerate the build FTTP as fast as possible, reduce the cost of build and grow the customer FTTP connections equally as fast as possible.

Please explain how FTTC doesn't allow retiring of WLR, reduction of exchange estate and removal of the bulk of the exchange-side copper, with a reminder that recovery of copper appears to be unviable.

I don’t recall saying thatl. I just listed off three quite well known things that in aggregate massively reduce their run cost.

Whether they see fit to rip the copper out of the ground when the time comes….[censored] knows. Once your retire WLR and you’ve got three quarters of the country on FTTP, serving broadband from 90k odd street cabinets seems a little futile.

It’s what was often written at the end of French ‘arty’ films.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

It’s what was often written at the end of French ‘arty’ films.

https://grammarhow.com/fin-end/

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

It’s what was often written at the end of French ‘arty’ films.

https://grammarhow.com/fin-end/

Followed the link. There's several 'it's' where "its" should be to give any credence to the site as an authority.

And it has triggered my apostrophe OCD.

I think there are probably 3 main reasons people are slow to choose FTTP

1. As mentioned before there is confusion on what FTTP is. I know multiple people who bought an FTTC connection and thought it was FTTP. My neighbour when I told him dropped Sky FTTC and signed up to VM. I suspect many won't know the difference between full fibre or fibre to the cabinet, so there is no incentive to change.

2. ISP's selling products that are FTTC seem to be reluctant to undercut those products in favour of promoting FTTP products. So there is no general advertising of FTTP products unless its available in a specific area.

3. As pointed out by some posters on the thread, as long as people can do what they want to do on their current service without any quality of service issues then they won't see any reason to even look up faster connections. They will likely only look at the speed difference and not realise the overall quality of service. I bet many think they are getting the top speed on their FTTC connections, as I doubt they look up what speed they are getting.

In reply to a post by Grimers:

True, but I don't see the point in delaying moving over to a service when it's going to be the only option, later on down the line.

I doubt most people have any idea that it will be the only option 'later on down the line'.

In reply to a post by bowdon:

I think there are probably 3 main reasons people are slow to choose FTTP

1. As mentioned before there is confusion on what FTTP is. I know multiple people who bought an FTTC connection and thought it was FTTP. My neighbour when I told him dropped Sky FTTC and signed up to VM. I suspect many won't know the difference between full fibre or fibre to the cabinet, so there is no incentive to change.

2. ISP's selling products that are FTTC seem to be reluctant to undercut those products in favour of promoting FTTP products. So there is no general advertising of FTTP products unless its available in a specific area.

3. As pointed out by some posters on the thread, as long as people can do what they want to do on their current service without any quality of service issues then they won't see any reason to even look up faster connections. They will likely only look at the speed difference and not realise the overall quality of service. I bet many think they are getting the top speed on their FTTC connections, as I doubt they look up what speed they are getting.

Well said.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

It’s what was often written at the end of French ‘arty’ films.

Carl's previous strapline in his sig was "Building better networks, not just faster ones."

Maybe all those networks are now 'fin'? Dunno.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Dunno.

I'll guess it just means the end of the post. Since you can switch off sig blocks in the forum settings, I suspect a lot of viewers give up with sig blocks given some are extensive.