I was happy to pay the installation charge, but not the £150 a month rental and only 330 down.

I just dont understand why they stopped that far short so close yet so far and another year to go that little bit further. So I will sub to another VDSL service for another year and re evaluate January 2023

I didnt think it resonable people 500 yards away pay nothing to install and pay £50 a month for 990 , and I have to pay £15,000 and £150 a month.

we have now received the estimate of the charges from BT. These are detailed below.

Estimated Build Cost: £15,000.00

The build charge includes the estimate for the work and materials required to deliver the service. It also includes the connection charge.

Number of premises passed for FTTP: 9

In reply to a post by mintminty59:

I didnt think it resonable people 500 yards away pay nothing to install and pay £50 a month for 990 , and I have to pay £15,000 and £150 a month.

I hope you don't mind me saying but I think you're getting too fixated on others, be positive that they are planning to upgrade you in 2023.

In reply to a post by mintminty59:

I didnt think it resonable people 500 yards away pay nothing to install and pay £50 a month for 990 , and I have to pay £15,000 and £150 a month.

It isn't reasonable. Fortunately for you you don't have to pay that. It will be installed for free.

You would be paying the £15,000 for the luxury of having it quicker, or guaranteeing it will come at all in the case of some more rural properties.

I just dont understand why they stopped that far short so close yet so far

All rollouts need an end point, even if that's halfway down a street.

They are doing a combination of cherry picking the cheaper, quicker, easier properties to deploy to, and also doing entire exchanges in 1 go.
Your area is obviously the former at present and is possibly in plans to do the whole exchange in 2023.

You're fortunate to be in plans in 2023. Many areas are not planned to start their rollout until 2026. Many other areas aren't part of any rollout plan.

I know I get peoples points at least I am on some list and I should be happy the rural part I am in is getting something. Its made working from home hard but got through it.

I will just sit tight and see what happens really. They would probaby see a much higher take up if they targeted the people who have sub 10 Mbps for a long time. Instead of targeting where VM and others already have a 1 Gig service on offer.

But I know they are a business and not a charity so happy new year all.

In reply to a post by mintminty59:

They would probaby see a much higher take up if they targeted the people who have sub 10 Mbps for a long time. Instead of targeting where VM and others already have a 1 Gig service on offer.

Absolutely they would get higher take-up. But they would have almost zero return-on-investment, since the people who take FTTP would be exactly those who were on Openreach copper before: they are robbing Peter to pay Paul. The rental for 40/10 FTTP is only £1.70 per month more than 40/10 FTTC. Furthermore, the sub-10Mbps areas are also the ones most expensive to roll out FTTP to.

In areas with VM 1G service, they are able to reclaim some of the customers they have lost entirely, giving a healthy increase in revenue. At the same time these are the cheapest areas to deploy to, being the ones that VM (or its predecessors) cherry-picked. Once the cheapest areas are deployed, OR will be looking for government handouts for the remainder.

Edited by candlerb (Sat 01-Jan-22 12:23:30)

In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

Please explain how FTTC doesn't allow retiring of WLR, reduction of exchange estate and removal of the bulk of the exchange-side copper, with a reminder that recovery of copper appears to be unviable.

Openreach haven’t installed enough FTTC capacity to serve every line. If the remaining lines all need ADSL to provide voice services, WLR can be retired but the exchange can’t be closed.

In reply to a post by CJ8:

In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

Please explain how FTTC doesn't allow retiring of WLR, reduction of exchange estate and removal of the bulk of the exchange-side copper, with a reminder that recovery of copper appears to be unviable.

Openreach haven’t installed enough FTTC capacity to serve every line. If the remaining lines all need ADSL to provide voice services, WLR can be retired but the exchange can’t be closed.

That won't stop smaller exchanges being closed.

Openreach will eventually end up with sufficient capacity from the GEA products (FTTC, G.Fast, FTTP) to close ADSL and the smaller exchanges.

The FTTP rollout and subsequent take up takes users off the FTTC cabinets.

If in a few years the only thing preventing an exchange being closed is a few users on ADSL who have no broadband alternative you can bet that exchange will still be closed.
Either FTTC/P will be rolled out to them, FTTC capacity will be added or for some users (particularly some very rural users) alternative technologies will be used.

There will be properties that will end up with zero Openreach connectivity options that need to use a mobile phone for calls, or will need to use 4g/5g, FWA or satellite broadband to be able to make VOIP calls.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

There will be properties that will end up with zero Openreach connectivity options that need to use a mobile phone for calls, or will need to use 4g/5g, FWA or satellite broadband to be able to make VOIP calls.

I was wondering about this the other day, thinking of rural properties who do have a phone line but are never going to be connected to FTTP due to distance and or cost. If Openreach close their local exchange they'll be without a service. Maybe they could have 4G - but anyone who's ever been out on the hills knows that's not really likely. And satellite is very expensive.

But I thought BT had a Universal Service Obligation. Sure, they don't have to provide a new line 10 miles down a dirt track. But remove an existing service? Or replace it with a more expensive option?

But I think I know what will happen in the end...

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

But I thought BT had a Universal Service Obligation. Sure, they don't have to provide a new line 10 miles down a dirt track. But remove an existing service? Or replace it with a more expensive option?

But I think I know what will happen in the end...

The broadband USO already includes alternative technologies like 4G.

PSTN is being switched off in 2025. There are already remote properties who's ADSL is insufficient to make VOIP calls due to line length.
Once PSTN is switched off those properties already have no ability to make calls via Openreach.

At the end of the day it will be cheaper to subsidize satellite broadband (or an alternative wireless technology) than it would be to run FTTP to the most rural of properties.
It will also be cheaper than it is to keep entire exchanges open for the few remaining lines.
We've already seen a number of USO quotes exceed a million £.

The government also already has a significant stake in the LEO satellite company Oneweb. I'd be amazed if it isn't used to meet the broadband USO in future.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

Once PSTN is switched off those properties already have no ability to make calls via Openreach.

Yes, that was my point. I'm not thinking about broadband of any kind, just the ability to make a phone call. And isn't that what the USO is about (or was about before broadband access was added)?