Thanks everyone for your replies.

I will ask the owner (assuming they are there tomorrow) what internet they get atm.

You can just plug it in using the address checker (rather than phone number).

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In reply to a post by jpm:

You'd have to ask them. All I can report is what the checker says, which is that the group of houses numbered 109-123 are shown as being part of an FTTP rollout.

Hi jpm,

Sadly those are out of the range of the property I am looking at, so that's a bummber,

I will ask the owner (if they are there) what internet they get.

Roughly what sort of distance away?

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In reply to a post by candlerb:

https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm
https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=9...
https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=9...

Looks like you are SOL: there is no fibre on cabinet 64. Probably 4G/5G is your best bet.

Thanks candlerb,

What is SOL?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SOL

In reply to a post by candlerb:

In reply to a post by CJT:

In reply to a post by candlerb:

https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm
https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=9...
https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=9...

Looks like you are SOL: there is no fibre on cabinet 64. Probably 4G/5G is your best bet.

Thanks candlerb,

What is SOL?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SOL

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by CJT:

In reply to a post by jpm:

You'd have to ask them. All I can report is what the checker says, which is that the group of houses numbered 109-123 are shown as being part of an FTTP rollout.

Hi jpm,

Sadly those are out of the range of the property I am looking at, so that's a bummber,

I will ask the owner (if they are there) what internet they get.

Roughly what sort of distance away?

Hi Pheasant

I guess 50 - 100 yards.

There is a road to a close between the sets of properties.

Fairly close really.

You see the enabling fibre infrastructure that Openreach build to serve FTTP to these new build properties will be designed to dovetail into the long-term infrastructure for when the rest of the surrounding areas are eventually FTTP enabled;

This group of houses will have one or possibly several CBTs installed from which the drop cables are connected to each property. These CBTs are in turn connected to something called a splitter node.

Once that FTTP service to the new builds is completed, if you did not want to wait, possibly several years, for the 'native' rollout you can pay to have them install it 'on demand'. Usually very expensive, BUT the recently announced 'near-network' trial for FTTP on Demand (aka FOD or FTTPoD) - provides a much more favourable pricing model where IF the said FTTP infrastructure (namely either a splitter node or aggregation node) is within 500 metres of the property then the cheaper pricing applies.

Here is a real world example of this revised pricing (where a splitter was not required, just another CBT):
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/threads/fttpod-near...

You would need to 'gamble' £250+VAT withe provider like Cerberus to actually find out if you are eligible. The risk is you may not be eligible and the cost is full fat FTTPoD, which usually isn't pretty at all.

The other (slim) possibility is that Openreach return sooner than they otherwise would have, of their own volition, to expand or infill FTTP coverage to the surrounding areas. Possibly.

The other final throw of the dice would be to approach Openreach, perhaps initially via the Availability Checker Enquiry and reading note that 'I cannot get fibre but my neighbours can' - again throw of the dice on this one...but you don't ask you don't get.

Edited by Pheasant (Fri 14-Jan-22 21:35:21)

In reply to a post by CJT:

Short answer, I am not prepared to go back to ADSL at all.

I think that rules out this property from your search, unless:

1. You are happy to use 4G/5G for your broadband, until such time as FTTP arrives (80% of UK due to be covered by Dec 2026).

Or:

2. You use the lack of broadband to get a discount of £10K-£15K from the price, pay for a leased line for 3 years, and hope that native FTTP arrives in that time (otherwise you'll continue to pay ~£300 per month thereafter)

You could also pay for FTTPoD, but there's a different risk: after waiting 3 months for a survey you may be told "no: plans are to deliver native FTTP in the next year". That means you don't have to pay anything (cool) but you could be without decent broadband for 1-2 years (not cool).

Note that FTTPoD orders are normally not accepted in non-FTTC areas. There's a "trial" starting 19th March 2022 where they *will* accept such orders; but it's only a trial, and it might not run past 31st May 2022. FTTPoD is also not accepted for MDUs (e.g. flats)

As long as the exchange has FTTPoD it does not matter that the address is within range of FTTC or not, as long as you can pay the higher fee due to distance an ADSL only address can get FTTPoD.

In reply to a post by kommando:

As long as the exchange has FTTPoD it does not matter that the address is within range of FTTC or not, as long as you can pay the higher fee due to distance an ADSL only address can get FTTPoD.

Sorry, but that is not true - not until the new trial comes into force in March anyway. FTTP on Demand is currently only available in FTTC cabinet areas.

Edit - Reference:

"FTTP on Demand lets you offer ultrafast speeds of up to 1Gbps to customers in Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) areas."
"If a customer is in a FTTC-exchange area, we can run a full fibre connection to their premises"
"Customers in FTTC areas can upgrade to even faster speeds"
(see also the fact sheet)

Edited by candlerb (Sat 15-Jan-22 10:06:00)