In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

I'm referring to how in-demand their skills are, and how rare those skills are. There isn't a big pool of unemployed talent capable of taking the jobs and the altnets don't have the resources to train them so they have to entice them from their current employers.

If these altnets are not wanting to train people then they will have to pay above the market rate to attract skilled people from their existing employer and that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. If a fibre trained person is currently unemployed there must be a serious issue with them as even a donkey with some splicing experience could get a job currently.

Edited by deleted (Fri 15-Apr-22 16:55:54)

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Certainly Talktalk need to offer a cheaper 80/20 or 40/10 FTTP service, and include a voice option, if they are going to retain customers when copper stop-sell happens.

TalkTalk do offer 80/20 on FTTP now, it's currently £23.50. However still data only!
You also don't get the Eero router just their normal one you get with FTTC.

In reply to a post by Bawlk:

TalkTalk do offer 80/20 on FTTP now, it's currently £23.50.

Thank you for updating me. They hide it very well - their Future Fibre (FTTP) page doesn't list it.

But you're right: if I do an availability check, it offers "Fibre 65 Future Fibre", with "average" download of 80Mbps and "average" upload of 20Mbps.

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In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

I'm referring to how in-demand their skills are, and how rare those skills are. There isn't a big pool of unemployed talent capable of taking the jobs and the altnets don't have the resources to train them so they have to entice them from their current employers.

If these altnets are not wanting to train people then they will have to pay above the market rate to attract skilled people from their existing employer and that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. If a fibre trained person is currently unemployed there must be a serious issue with them as even a donkey with some splicing experience could get a job currently.

Very true. And exactly what I said, so why you jumped in suggesting I was advocating for wholesale replacement of the workforce with cheaper, unskilled labour is a mystery to me. Perhaps if you'd asked for clarification rather than making an insinuation?

In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

Perhaps if you'd asked for clarification rather than making an insinuation?

The event you complained about below (posted at 13 April 2022 at 16:08) lead to less cheap labour from else where being available so I don't think I was making any insinuations.

In reference to www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/04/openreach-uk-to-pilot-new-ftt...:

some event from 2016 has left the UK labour market starved of people.

Staff shortages across the board have placed the UK's labour market where it is. That event both prevented freedom of movement of unskilled labour and gave a very clear signal to skilled labour alongside forcing companies to fill out forms to hire them when previously there were none.

On the whole people with the ability to be selective about where they work aren't going to make a beeline for the place where a big chunk of the population don't want them there and xenophobia is at best appeased and at worst encouraged.

It is pretty entertaining being told what I meant with something I wrote, though. Thanks for that. I can think of many better ways to spend my retirement but to each their own. Seems trying to score points is a popular past time.

If you'll excuse me on that back to studying for an exam. Some of us actually have to focus on self-improvement and delivering results rather than hoping a union or immigration controls provide job security.

In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

It is pretty entertaining being told what I meant with something I wrote, though. Thanks for that. I can think of many better ways to spend my retirement but to each their own. Seems trying to score points is a popular past time.

Not trying to score points, its always good being given feedback on what you have posted so hope I have helped.

In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

If you'll excuse me on that back to studying for an exam.

Hope you breeze it.

In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

rather than hoping a union or immigration controls provide job security.

There you go again, you can't help yourself. Those who are from these shores deserve to be protected, its not rocket science.

Edited by deleted (Sat 16-Apr-22 14:01:49)

In reply to a post by dect:

There you go again, you can't help yourself. Those who are from these shores deserve to be protected, its not rocket science.

There is a huge amount that could be said in response to this but this isn't the place: our respective points of view reflect generational divides and are unlikely to change.

In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

our respective points of view reflect generational divides and are unlikely to change.

It may take time but the younger generations do eventually find out their not invincible.

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

our respective points of view reflect generational divides and are unlikely to change.

It may take time but the younger generations do eventually find out their not invincible.

I'm part of the younger generation and I have to agree, a lot of the younger generation try and do the least work for the most amount of money. I have a reputation for being one of the few IT contractors willing to do extra hours and stay in the office till gone 6 to get on top of tickets and everything that needs doing. I know this last week I did a 10 hour day. One of the guys leaves at or before 5 even mid job.
I don't like starting something and leaving it until i'm next in, as its not always the next day, meaning I'll forget where i'm up to and will waste time trying to figure out where i got upto.

For the record I do want to progress but also believe that progression shouldn't just happen because a person is good at interviews, I think that a strong level of skill and interest is extremely important, without either of those things then to an extent there won't be a high level of skill since there is no passion to find out more. That's how I see it.

I'm not sure if that's just me but in my eyes if a job has been handed to me or to anyone it needs sorting in as little time as possible or inline with SLA's while ensuring it is to a high standard.