What I'm asking for is even simpler.

The loft is boarded, lit and with stairs. The room is accessed directly from the soffit. The mounting location for the ONT is 2M from the eyelet where the copper cable ties to the house, which is less than a foot from the soffit. I just fitted the bell box in the same site so I have first hand experience.on how easy it is to run cable from there into loft. If you can combe your hair, it's almost the same motion.

I don't even need ducting or pull through.

I know I won't win this last bit, but they don't even need a ladder. The job could not have been easier.
The scaffolding is like an extension on the house, should have told them it was a veranda, I'd sleep out there tonight if there was a point worth proving.

Providing the CSP can be internal and in loft, then it is as easy as poking the external grade cable up via the soffit and into the loft. That is the Comms room.

The soffit is less than a foot from the cable anchorage point.

Quinn wanted to drop to ground level externally, CSP and splice there before going straight back up to soffit. But again the cables won't clip to the walls anyway, and there's nothing to anchor the ladder to.

Another reason why I am not that bothered about getting Fibre when it comes is because of the hassle of the installation.

the ladder isn't safer. but the ladder is what they are told to use.

If the Tetra climbing system is used, then they are told that it IS as safe.
The eyebolt anchors the the ladder to the building, the operative is attached, via their harness, to the ropes on the ladder.

The external CSP makes a huge amount of sense too. Allowing for future flexibility, and meaning that fault finding, if required, will not always require you to make an appointment.

How about if the fibre went to a new pole on your property and then you ducted it to your house?

How does this help ?
The CSP would be put where the cable comes out of the duct, which the OP doesn’t want. The cable to the ONT would have to go up the face of the house to enter through the soffit, which the OP doesn’t want.

Add to that a new pole would add, literally, months to the job, and would be a large added cost to the customer

I don't understand why the CSP needs to be accessible without my presence, I don't want anyone touching it without my permission as that would certainly cause a loss of service,

It belongs to the fibre provider, it’s not yours.

Are you saying that anyone needs your permission to touch any part of the network that carries your service ?!?!

This is off the top of my head so may have many many holes in it

Could you not offer to do the attachment of the fibre connectorised cable to the soffit and poke it through into the loft (via your scaffolding) for an internal CSP?

I have seen previous comments on here saying letting a customer assist an engineer is very unprofessional but Openreach allow Developers to do some of fibre work on most new builds these days. Also a lot of the commercial rollouts are being done by Tier 1 and Tier 2 contractors and having seen some of their work its normally [censored] poor as well.

Edited by deleted (Sat 07-May-22 09:34:16)

Of course not.

I'm only talking about the physical boundary, aka my land!
There's lots of scenarios why you can't assume access, what if I had dogs who didn't like random people turning up? I do have a dog, who does love visitors but the engineer might not want their ear canals licked clean! Also they might leave the gate open and then who knows who's ears my dog will be cleaning.

There's no general benefit in an externally/easily accessible CSP. You still need permission to open the gate to get to it. There's a "splice" point for the copper cable too so to speak. It's where the external grade cable joins the internal. It's inline and right up where the anchors to the house. No one has ever needed to touch that since it was installed.

I can see why it would be their preference, but not the rule.

In reply to a post by dect:

This is off the top of my head so may have many many holes in it

Could you not offer to do the attachment of the fibre connectorised cable to the soffit and poke it through into the loft (via your scaffolding) for an internal CSP?

I have seen previous comments on here saying letting a customer assist an engineer is very unprofessional but Openreach allow Developers to do some of fibre work on most new builds these days. Also a lot of the commercial rollouts are being done by Tier 1 and Tier 2 contractors and having seen some of their work its normally [censored] poor as well.

Thanks, I'll keep this in my back pocket for the next engineer.

I did suggest helping the Quinn guy but he said it would be too much trouble regarding paperwork. I didn't put it quite as clearly as you have because we were trying to solve for an external CSP. I didn't know an internal one was really a thing till the responses here.

In reply to a post by umbramalison:

I didn't know an internal one was really a thing till the responses here.

They are the original CSP's used for both external and internal use manufactured by a company called OFS, they come in grey, brown and white although most people have the white version internally, I'm sure you would accept the current larger external one installed inside your loft if it meant thing would proceed via your chosen route.