In reply to a post by laststar:

Because the street has been developed and paid for privately they won't just add me onto the Full fibre network at the same time because the developer has paid for it

That's actually a very reasonable response, and it's good that you got it promptly.

The amounts that developers have to pay per property are published; but the developer is required to install ducting to Openreach's specification, and all the connections Openreach makes are within the same area.

If the developer were building 6 new plots instead of 5 it would have only cost them £600 more to connect fibre; but that's not the same as building out the network to a completely unrelated property outside of the development.

In reply to a post by laststar:

Sounds like an absolute farce that they won't do it.

The developer will have paid £9000+VAT for those 5 properties. Openreach will still have heavily subsidised the cost of getting fibre to the development, although they've avoided the cost of installing copper.

If you go for FTTPoD it will cost you around £3000+VAT, and will make fibre available to all properties served by your pole. That piggybacks onto the subsidy that Openreach have already made.

If you don't want to pay that, I'm afraid you wait.

If you do want to order FTTPoD, get your order in this week. From the end of May, you may lose the current discounted pricing for near-network connections. (And this is heavily discounted; normally people pay £8000+VAT or more for FTTPoD)

In reply to a post by kitcat:

I assume the new houses are ducted not Overhead. You could always ask the builder to run some duct the extra 50m as the CBT is likely to have 8 ports and therefore some spare from the 5 new houses.

50m of duct in a street is not really a "as a favour" type of ask.

In reply to a post by jpm:

In reply to a post by kitcat:

I assume the new houses are ducted not Overhead. You could always ask the builder to run some duct the extra 50m as the CBT is likely to have 8 ports and therefore some spare from the 5 new houses.

50m of duct in a street is not really a "as a favour" type of ask.

Nor is it even allowed, without permits from the council, and/or code powers.

if the supplied cbt for the new builds has 8 ports could the op be connected to a spare one and the cable flown to his house? I believe the pre made fibre cables come in up to 300m lengths and assuming he has an overhead feed. pics might help

Edited by threelegs (Tue 24-May-22 20:10:08)

Openreach don't connect ad-hoc.

If the OP's property were within the design footprint of that CBT, then he could order today.

He can't, which means the designs show a separate CBT for serving his property. And therefore, he cannot order until that CBT is built and connected to its serving splitter.

Though the CBT might be 8 ports, it doesn’t mean they are all lit.

In reply to a post by threelegs:

if the supplied cbt for the new builds has 8 ports could the op be connected to a spare one and the cable flown to his house? I believe the pre made fibre cables come in up to 300m lengths and assuming he has an overhead feed. pics might help

Think OP mentioned that they are on a pole but the new properties are fed underground.

No route to the CBT without digging by the sound of it, and Openreach aren't going to install a new pole to act as carrier pole because a household really wants FTTP and is persistent.

Apart from anything else if they did this it would set a bad precedent. Openreach built to those new builds because they were paid to, it would be crazy to interrupt the local and in turn national work flow to build to a single pole here and chamber there to placate people unhappy the new builds down the road have full fibre.

In reply to a post by laststar:

Next email is to the developer to see if there any way of getting added on via them .

Full disclosure: I have a relatively new build that has full fibre, and have worked with new build.

The developer at the end of it all never pays, the residents do as part of their purchase price.

The developer I purchased from had no idea about it really, they saw some sales pitch and it was a relatively small amount more expensive than copper.

The developer signed a contract with Openreach before construction with the exact details of properties on it. Openreach provided them materials and they built the ducts on their land. They did nothing as far as public land not belonging to them goes, Openreach extended their ducting onto the site and the developer built from this lead-in.

Apologies in advance for the doom and gloom.

There is no way the developer can build ducting or other infrastructure to you. Only Openreach could do this, and you've had their answer. There is no way they can revisit their contract with Openreach, it's signed and being delivered. Openreach have the site plans, know your property isn't on there, and will not treat it as a new build. If the developer tried to blag them it wouldn't go well.

Even just contacting Openreach on this will cost the developer time and money and, frankly, you aren't their customer and any time they give you is a courtesy. People have paid them 6-figures for properties with full fibre included. There will have been conditions in the planning permission but building full fibre to you isn't one of them.

Of course it couldn't hurt to send the email, it is your time, but don't get your hopes up. There is as I said literally no way the developer can help you in any way besides with money, and the business case to do that isn't great.

As far as money goes Openreach pay the first £3,400 + VAT to reach a new build. The developer here paid another £1,800 + VAT per property. On those rates you're looking at £6,000. This is not actually representative of costs for existing properties. You'd probably be better served looking into FTTP on demand.

As far as Openreach forgetting about you goes if anything this might help a very little in moving you up the list, but either way they will be aware what has and doesn't have full fibre available and it won't have sent you down their priority list.

In my experience the only way to get full fibre from a developer is to buy one of their properties with full fibre from the beginning. Once the deal is closed they are unlikely to pay for upgrades and that's their own customers, not the folks down the road.

Thats correct. The CBT will be ring-fenced to new builds that's paid for it.

The developer at the end of it all never pays, the residents do as part of their purchase price.

By that same definition the developer never pays for the bricks, mortar, wiring, sockets, pipes, tiles, etc, etc. The developer does pay as they are the ones that get the bills and will pay OpenReach for it. Just because those costs are passed on with the house sale doesn't mean that it isn't paid for by the developer - and the developer could choose not to pay it but if they don't they may find the value of the house is lower.