In reply to a post by candlerb:

To be pedantic, Openreach don't do free installations. They charge £103.32+VAT for a standard FTTP install.

This is paid by the ISP, but they usually don't pass it on to their customers; they hide it in the monthly rental over the contract period. aa.net.uk is an example of one that *does* pass on these charges.

Many ISPs also supply a router and hide the cost in the same way.

Of course, this means the price you pay ought to go *down* at the end of the initial contract period, but most ISPs make it go up - to force you to sign a new contract.

Well yeah I always presumed that OR charged the providers, which is strange since OR want us to go onto FTTP, what advantage is it for providers if they have to pay OR?

I also presumed that we pay for the router as well in some way, they are not going to give it away for nothing.

Prices go up in the contract these days, which I think is wrong, after all we signed a contract for that price, and it should stay that price.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Sounds like the hydraulics failed, or maybe the PTO jammed.

It has gone now, they came about an hour ago to collect it, so I presume they had someone out to fix it yesterday, but needed a driver for it today

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Sounds like the hydraulics failed, or maybe the PTO jammed.

And there was me thinking they was waiting for Adrian to order 😎

i doubt it, the service is not live up yet.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

You can imagine all the providers meeting in darkened rooms to see who pulls that very shortest of straws ….

“OK, but if we have to have him, you have to take on Keef from Sheerness, and sniggering Jack in the corner there, you HAVE to roll out to ALL of Cuckoo Oak exchange. “

I have you know I am good to people who do work here, I offer them a coffee and then stay out of their way.
When Open reach came a few years ago to try to sort out my FTTC connection, we had a good chat, they explained what was happening or what was not happening as the case was. The second one I had here We chatted about FTTP as she said that the problem I was having would not happen with FTTP, not that she knew what was causing the problem, which is strange. If she did not know what was causing the problem, then how did she know it would not happen with FTTP?

So I am a good host, even if i don't like people in my house.

In reply to a post by simon194:

The Echo Show's have a manually operated shutter over the camera lens so it's a bit of a non-issue really.

Maybe, but so easy to forget to close it, anyway, I have no need for one anyway.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

And there was me thinking they was waiting for Adrian to order

You can imagine all the providers meeting in darkened rooms to see who pulls that very shortest of straws ….

“OK, but if we have to have him, you have to take on Keef from Sheerness, and sniggering Jack in the corner there, you HAVE to roll out to ALL of Cuckoo Oak exchange. “

No use posting that here. You are in an irony-free zone.

No use posting that here. You are in an irony-free zone.

I know, it’s all about fibre on this bit innit.

In reply to a post by jpm:

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

FWIW I saw a pole that is date stamped as 2021 and it still said ‘BT’

Never seen any of theirs that didn't have 'BT' on them (thats not to say there isn't any)

Isn't this because BT own the network assets, Openreach just manage it?

I think that is correct. BT plc retain legal ownership of all the network assets, even when Openreach procure/replace etc the assets automatically belong to the plc.

Its all in here:

https://www.bt.com/bt-plc/assets/documents/about-bt/...

"9.4 Openreach Limited is not permitted to acquire assets and liabilities for its own balance sheet. Where Openreach Limited acquires, sells and otherwise deals with Openreach CFU assets, it shall do so on behalf of BT plc and for the account of BT plc and the necessary actions will be taken to ensure those assets are owned by BT plc."

Edited by Pheasant (Tue 13-Sep-22 18:04:40)

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

I think that is correct. BT plc retain legal ownership of all the network assets, even when Openreach procure/replace etc the assets automatically belong to the plc.

I read originally Ofcom wanted Openreach to own the physical assets, but then the banks supporting BT plc wanted the Govt to plug a 'hole' in the pension fund, so this middle ground was devised.

Gotcha. Think they’ve gotten over the worst of the pension deficit now…

https://www.pensions-expert.com/DB-Derisking/BT-Pens...

Though it’s probably taken a proper battering the last 6 months!