In reply to a post by FibreBubble:

In my view it is scandalous that workers on what is now the Openreach business make up the vast majority of the pension scheme members. Yet Openreach are not allowed to factor in the deficit costs into their prices.

They wouldn't want to. It would only push more business towards altnets, as well as squeezing the profit margin of the BT retail division.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

They wouldn't want to. It would only push more business towards altnets, as well as squeezing the profit margin of the BT retail division.

I agree, the pension issue is of BT Group's (that includes Openreach) own making so BT Group and its shareholders should be sorting the issue by reduced profit and dividends.

In reply to a post by mwarby:

As I understand it openreach are offering ISPs a discount if they reach certain targets re switching to FTTP where available. It may also be that the discount is also applied to the migration. Certainly I think openreach are keen to retire the copper network where fibre is deployed

What Open reach want and what they get are two different things, they need to make it worthwhile for people like myself to change and even if FTTP was available to me there is no incentive to change. Saying it is faster or more reliable is not going to get some people to change.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Saying it is faster or more reliable is not going to get some people to change.

May be for the less savvy it might not.

I do wonder why people who continually come to this forum are not interested in ways to improve their broadband experience (be it via full fibre via an altnet or via a CP who uses Openreach infrastructure).

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Saying it is faster or more reliable is not going to get some people to change.

Reliability will sell to me, and my friends and family. Fed up with copper based issues on OR or VM networks, especially when trying to work from home.

I do wonder why people who continually come to this forum are not interested in ways to improve their broadband experience (be it via full fibre via an altnet or via a CP who uses Openreach infrastructure).

I refer readers to this recent post and the OP’s reply to it.

In reply to a post by dect:

I do wonder why people who continually come to this forum are not interested in ways to improve their broadband experience (be it via full fibre via an altnet or via a CP who uses Openreach infrastructure).

I find the forum interesting and some of the posts are interesting, in other words, you don't like it when people don't agree with you.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Reliability will sell to me, and my friends and family. Fed up with copper based issues on OR or VM networks, especially when trying to work from home.

if you have rubbish broadband i can understand, but the majority of people I know don't. a neighbour said last year when we first heard about Zzoomm coming up here that it would be good as her broadband is rubbish. How can it be rubbish? She is on the same cabinet as me, in fact she is slightly closer. The only way it can be rubbish is if there is a problem with the infrastructure and if so get in touch with her ISP, if they are using Wi-fi for everything and their router is rubbish or they think it is rubbish and it is not really the case.

Two people live in that house, so even if they had the same speed as I have, they can both watch 4K video on two different devices and have room to spare.

Unless you have rubbish copper cables and live a long way from the cabinet then FTTC is normally pretty reliable and I did have a problem for a while, but these things happen.

I am not saying people should not go to FTTP if that is what they want, just saying that for a lot of people there is no incentive, unless they do have reliability problems.
All the advertising from Zzoomm is about speed and if you look at any other adverts for FTTP from any provider it is about speed, some may say about reliability, but not many.
sorry but again, no incentive. I know plenty of people who are not interested in changing, a couple said they will wait until next year to see if the bugs have been removed and then decide.


My sister-in-law and brother who has ZZoomm available to them and I think also Openreach now are not in any rush to move and yet I think it would be to their advantage to move.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by dect:

I do wonder why people who continually come to this forum are not interested in ways to improve their broadband experience (be it via full fibre via an altnet or via a CP who uses Openreach infrastructure).

I find the forum interesting and some of the posts are interesting, in other words, you don't like it when people don't agree with you.

Thanks Adrian for letting me know.

Edit: Just to add I would be extremely concerned if you did agree with me as I have observed many worrying posts over the last few years

Edited by deleted (Wed 14-Sep-22 22:25:00)

In reply to a post by dect:

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[/quote]Thanks Adrian for letting me know.

Edit: Just to add I would be extremely concerned if you did agree with me as I have observed many worrying posts over the last few years

Worrying posts from yourself


I am interested in the technology, and to be honest I don't care how my broadband gets to me, If FTTP was available at a decent price when I changed from wireless to FTTC then I would have gone for it. I would not have changed from ADSL to Wireless broadband if ADSL did what I wanted, the same as from wireless to FTTC, while it started off good, they could not cope with the demand and it made sense to go to FTTC at the time, then the provider who did the wireless broadband decided to give it up a few months after anyway. But fair play to them for trying something when none of the big knobs in the city did not give a monkey and when they did, they gave taxpayers money to a large company, that would be open reach and the so called fastershire, that did nothing, nothing what soever for the city.

Now once again it is another independent company that have come in to put fibre in the city, but now they have got going, Out of reach wants a bit of the action, i am surprised they even know where Hereford is.

If i did go for FTTP, I think it would be Zzoomm, but as I have said before, the cost is a bit more than what I want to pay for broadband, certainly at the moment with the way the cost of living is going up