a neighbour said last year when we first heard about Zzoomm coming up here that it would be good as her broadband is rubbish. How can it be rubbish? She is on the same cabinet as me, in fact she is slightly closer.

Even if their cables are bad or have bad joints OpenReach won't do anything about it unless it is below the speed threshold. And that threshold is set based on the line condition. So they could have a speed half of yours and as long as that is what they were told they would get then the ISP can't get OpenReach to do anything to make it better. Neighbours can have very different line speeds.

I went to FTTP as soon as it became available. We were getting about 30Mbps down and I think about 6Mbps up. The upstream was bad. The downstream wasn't great for our needs. FTTP avoids lots of issues with degrading copper lines. For us FTTP was a no-brainer.

But, as has been said before if FTTC does what you need and you don't have any problems then nobody should be saying you must move away from it - but many people may choose to just for the peace of mind of removing the potentially inconsistent nature of copper.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Worrying posts from yourself

May be at times but I was making reference to the fact our opinions are vastly different on virtually every matter. Take Covid and vaccination for one, I believe it exists and we should be vaccinated but you say it's a government way of controlling us and no need for any vaccination. I have defended your right to choose when others on this forum have been very unkind to you, so I don't agree that "I don't like it when people don't agree with me". You have been listening and believing other's comments about me who clearly have their own agenda.

In reply to a post by ian72:

Even if their cables are bad or have bad joints OpenReach won't do anything about it unless it is below the speed threshold. And that threshold is set based on the line condition. So they could have a speed half of yours and as long as that is what they were told they would get then the ISP can't get OpenReach to do anything to make it better. Neighbours can have very different line speeds.

I went to FTTP as soon as it became available. We were getting about 30Mbps down and I think about 6Mbps up. The upstream was bad. The downstream wasn't great for our needs. FTTP avoids lots of issues with degrading copper lines. For us FTTP was a no-brainer.

But, as has been said before if FTTC does what you need and you don't have any problems then nobody should be saying you must move away from it - but many people may choose to just for the peace of mind of removing the potentially inconsistent nature of copper.

I realise that there can be bad joints, but I doubt that is the problem, but I could be wrong.
My next door neighbour had BT broadband and their speed was about 24Mb's, even the router gave the speed as around 29Mb/s, Bloated Toad was not interested. Now a few months ago they went to sky and now they get the same speed as me, very strange.

i must admit upload is not great, I get around 9Mb/s if that, but for the amount I upload at the moment I am not that bothered, but it does make things a little slow if I access the NAS from a different location.

No one is saying I must move away from FTTC at the moment, but how long is that going to last? Talk Talk are already pushing people to FTTP.

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May be at times but I was making reference to the fact our opinions are vastly different on virtually every matter. Take Covid and vaccination for one, I believe it exists and we should be vaccinated but you say it's a government way of controlling us and no need for any vaccination. I have defended your right to choose when others on this forum have been very unkind to you, so I don't agree that "I don't like it when people don't agree with me". You have been listening and believing other's comments about me who clearly have their own agenda.


I believe covid exists, I don't think it was as bad as we were led to believe, and I think the government reaction was more to do with control of the population, scare them and they will do what you want. It seems strange that one thing is after another, Brexit, Co-vid, the war in Ukraine, monkeypox oh and the energy crises.
I said I will not have the vaccination as I think and still think it was produced too quickly or they had it already and have been lying to use about Co-vid.
I work in supermarket, I have had no vaccine and yet I am fine and yet some people I have been working with say they had co-vid. Some of the tests were wrong and had problems.

anyway.

Adrian you have left a /quote in square brackets in your post just before "May be at times"

Well I've now joined the future. Trooli 300/100 successfully running as of today.

In reply to a post by Deft:

Well I've now joined the future. Trooli 300/100 successfully running as of today.

Fantastic

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

. . . I don't think it was as bad as we were led to believe, and I think the government reaction was more to do with control of the population, scare them and they will do what you want. It seems strange that one thing is after another, Brexit, Co-vid, the war in Ukraine, monkeypox oh and the energy crises.

The trouble is that things like a Covid vaccination programme are built on statistics and statistics are an area where most of the population do not understand what is being discussed. Even at the height of the Covid pandemic the proportion of people who caught Covid and were then seriously affected was small over the population as a whole. However, for people in the vulnerable groups (elderly, suffering from other medical conditions etc.) the impact was a lot more significant. Pre-vaccination, IIRC the death rate of those who contracted Covid and were in one of the vulnerable groups was~10%. When you consider the number of people who are in those groups, you would have seen hundreds of thousands of deaths without lockdowns and then vaccination. Just because you (generically rather than aimed at you personally) did not see any major problems it does not detract from the fact that you could have contracted Covid (many who have had contracted it showed minimal or no symptoms) because you believe that vaccination is a control policy rather than a public health intervention while completely ignoring the risk that you could have passed on Covid to someone in one of the vulnerable groups ultimately leading to their death. Perhaps you (this time back to the direct question) could explain why you think from a standpoint that seems to be bereft of any supporting data that the government were using vaccination as a control programme rather than a public health intervention. Just because you did not see anyone suffer or suffer yourself from any adverse effects, that is because you were in the greater part of the population where the statistics predicted that would happen. Whether you consider that potentially passing on the infection so that someone else is killed is something to do with a freedom-destroying government and not your conscience is only a matter you will know.

Perhaps people of your generation and younger have forgotten the benefits that vaccinations have brought. I had a sister who died from diphtheria (now eliminated through vaccination). I had a school-friend who has had a lifelong weakness in one leg due to polio (previously all but eliminated by vaccination but now reappearing due to anti-vaccination fanatics to the extent that New York has declared a state of emergency), my grandfather spent several months in a sanatorium and was not expected to survive due to tuberculosis (previously all but eliminated but now reappearing due to anti-vaccination fanatics) and we are now seeing deaths due to measles in the UK when there were none in the mid-2010s due to the anti-vaccination fanatics taking their lead from the discredited charlatan "Doctor" Andrew Wakefield.

In cases like this, it is not a matter of opinions, it is a matter of statistical fact; while you are not willing to accept statistical evidence then your opinions don't have any place in serious debate. To close, do you personally know anyone who has won the National Lottery Jackpot? If you do not, then by your reasoning the Jackpot does not exist, it is merely a fiction invented by the Government to get you to buy lottery tickets.

Edited by GonePostal (Thu 15-Sep-22 21:12:20)

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Well I've now joined the future. Trooli 300/100 successfully running as of today.

Well done, not that it is the future as it is happening now, but good on you.

This is not really the place for this.

But just to say, i have no problems with vaccinations, i had some when I was at school, even if the headmaster had to get my mother in to get me to have them as i hate injections. I just think the covid vaccine was done too quick and have not been fully tested, or it have been available for longer than we were told and the whole Co-vid being a new virus was a lie. People die from flu and have been for years, and even that vaccine they can't get right most of the time because the flu virus mutate., No doubt i will get the same text as I got last year about getting a flue and covid vaccine due to my low immune system,


i know of someone who won the lottery jackpot, not personally as such, but he was a local lad that other people knew that I know.
I don't do the lottery, so makes no odds to me, but I think if it was not real, a lot of people would know and there would be hell to play. There may be hell to play anyway, when some people realise who is taking it over next year,.