You've got to assume a lot of that 8m figure is going to shift to LTE though, or in the case of alarms it will be a dual path ethernet/LTE. I can't see a lift emergency phone being hooked into the back of a BT Hub.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

It still needs to do nearly everything that the "monstrosity" does:
- routing/PPPoE
- ethernet uplink (for fibre ONT)
- ADSL/VDSL modem (for copper lines after WLR withdrawal)
- POTS ATA
- and/or DECT for cordless handsets

The only things it can drop are wifi and the LAN ports.

Given that (a) almost nobody buys a phone line without broadband these days, and (b) the device can be hidden away out of sight, I don't see any need for making a custom smaller version of the box. For that matter, a larger box will probably benefit from better ventilation.

So if it doesn't need Ethernet ports, that can make it smaller and as for ventilation if all it is only doing low traffic, which, then it really doesn't need so much ventilation, in fact it can have a lower powered chip in.
you know why they are doing it, because they think these people will decide to go get broadband and it maybe cheaper to use the same hardware than produce a different type.
You may be right, there may not be that many people who just have a phone and no broadband these days, but there are some. Not many people use dial up, but until last year I knew off two households, now I just know of one, the other one have gone for mobile broadband.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

Answering the point you wrote down not the next point that you want to pick on when you change your ground.

Still not sure what you are on about.

Let's all calm down a bit (and yes, I shouldn't have put in the bit about a rant). Anyway I've got 50 years of hurt with Hereford and Ronnie Bleeding Radford.

Who?

In reply to a post by jpm:

You've answered your own question I think. Landline phone is now an add-on for broadband rather than broadband being a service delivered over the existing landline phone. Developing a device with just a telephone socket and a DECT base in it would be a waste of money, and doing things this way allows landline-only customers to 'upgrade' to broadband without any hardware needing to be changed.

I have not had a phone on my landline since it was reconnected when I first went with plusnet, I have a Linksys PAP and been using sipgate and have had them for a few years now and have been fine, even if the linksys have got a strange 2 pin power plug going into an adaptor.

I will keep the same setup if I change providers, but I am looking at moving it and maybe getting some new phones as mine are old BT DECT ones that are slowly dying.

you are right it would be a waste of money.

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

Yeah, I was hoping that I could just use those, and have one of them connected wirelessly to my own router but took a closer look at them and sadly it still requires the Smart Hub 2 to work.

Paul

such a shame, so what it looks like is that they convert the phone to DECT phones.

Sheez. Dialup in 2022. Wow. Why? 🙈

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Who?

Do a search for "1972 FA Cup Upset".

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Sheez. Dialup in 2022. Wow. Why? 🙈

Very few ISPs offer it, probably only one or two left. Mobile broadband has mostly killed dialup.... but for those people on extremely (tens of KMs) lines, in remote Scotland, where no mobile signal, it may be only option. Got to be less than 100 homes surely?

That was about the only example I could think of theta could “legitimately” have a claim to dialup. Perhaps Adrian has some highlander mates.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

Yeah, I was hoping that I could just use those, and have one of them connected wirelessly to my own router but took a closer look at them and sadly it still requires the Smart Hub 2 to work.

Paul

such a shame, so what it looks like is that they convert the phone to DECT phones.

It wirelessly connects via the WPS Button and allows for up to 5 DECT Phones if I read it correctly.

Paul