In reply to a post by GonePostal:

Once again you are advancing personal experience as an exemplar when you are only a very small sample of what happens in the real world. Can you please lift you head just a little and realise that this Forum has a rather wider community than a one-off poster in one of the smaller county towns. No one is denying anything that you have said about your own personal experiences, wants or desires but for most people reading postings on this Forum you are an irrelevance and saying that those who do not want to be part of the Adrian world which hijacks other threads just to add some irrelevant personal experience can skip over your postings is perhaps arrogating a bit more importance to yourself than you really deserve.

Please accept that there is nothing personal in these comments and I would gladly go for a pint with you if I ever get to Hereford but we need to keep the global reach of the Forum in context.

Nah you would never want to come here I can tell you now,

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

Believe it or not but they don't use data specific to your specific line when sending out mail to everyone who now has FTTP available.

The increased reliability quoted isn't made up, or propaganda. It's a direct compassion between copper broadband and full fibre broadband using verifiable figures.

The fact your FTTC is stable is lucky for you and you alone. It doesn't make FTTP less reliable for everyone else.

On the whole FTTP broadband is much more reliable than FTTC broadband.

I realise they don't use data specific to my line, but a lot of the people I know don't seem to have any problem with FTTC, unless some telecom worker cuts the cable. A few years ago yes, but it seems to be reliable these days and certainly better than old ADSL. I am shocked, it is stable for me to be honest.

My problem is what pushing is going to be done to get me to go to fibre? This what I am bothered about as I have heard that one provider, Talk Talk have sent letters to people saying their broadband is being upgraded and not asking them if they want it or not.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

My problem is what pushing is going to be done to get me to go to fibre? This what I am bothered about

What is going to happen whether you like it or not is this. The copper network is going to be retired and everyone is going to be moved on to the new Fibre network.

But if you are adamant you don't want to move that's fine, you have that choice. Your choice however will result in you having no broadband or going on to 4G etc.

Other people you know won't care, they will just get a new deal with their provider for the same price or maybe even less but with faster speeds, and you know what, they'll take it. They'll then be moved over to the new network. They will then live their lives happily ever after, without a care in the world if their broadband is coming over a copper or fibre cable, all they'll know is that it works at a price they are happy with.

That is all there is too it.

In reply to a post by TheInstaller:

What is going to happen whether you like it or not is this. The copper network is going to be retired and everyone is going to be moved on to the new Fibre network.

But if you are adamant you don't want to move that's fine, you have that choice. Your choice however will result in you having no broadband or going on to 4G etc.

Other people you know won't care, they will just get a new deal with their provider for the same price or maybe even less but with faster speeds, and you know what, they'll take it. They'll then be moved over to the new network. They will then live their lives happily ever after, without a care in the world if their broadband is coming over a copper or fibre cable, all they'll know is that it works at a price they are happy with.

That is all there is too it.

I realise it is going to happen at some point, but when I have to or if I decide to i will do so on my terms, no silly long 24 month contract for a start, if they want me to change to fibre then give me a decent contract, and don't charge too much for it. I am in no rush, i need to sort the network out first, change things around before I even think about FTTP,I would love to put the ehternet net cables through the walls to be honest, but not sure If I can, certainly the one from up here, I do have a TV antenna socket up here that goes to the downstairs, I wonder if there is space in there and I can pull a Ethernet cable down there, I can replace the TV sockets as I don't watch TV. Mmm,that is a thought, maybe I can look at that when I am feeling better. I can still leave the TV cable in place.
If this was my own house and I had the money I would do the whole house with Ethernet wall sockets.

If I could do without broadband I would, I have said that many times, just another monthly cost, but my whole house relies on it now plus my entertainment in streaming video and music, plus it is needed these days for life. i did think about 4G to be honest, I looked at three, but they say their home mobile broadband is not available here which is strange, I get, We're on our way
We're busy expanding our network to connect more homes.

I have until June next year when my contract ends, I will see what is around at that time and how things are life wise.

What people I know do is up to them, I am not one who do what other people do, I don't try to keep up with the Jones so to speak. I just don't like being pushed and the more I am pushed the more I will rebel and go a different way

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

the more I am pushed the more I will rebel and go a different way

You will have a few years as you said yourself Openreach FTTP isn't yet fully around your town. When it is, and stop sell on copper occurs, then the clock will start for withdrawal of your existing service.

Perhaps no need to post on this topic until then?

If you could send Openreach down to Farnborough to upgrade us first, quite a few of my neighbours and I would like an alternative to our slow FTTC and expensive Virgin Media options.

Edited by jchamier (Mon 26-Dec-22 18:06:05)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

the more I am pushed the more I will rebel and go a different way

You will have a few years as you said yourself Openreach FTTP isn't yet fully around your town. When it is, and stop sell on copper occurs, then the clock will start for withdrawal of your existing service.

Perhaps no need to post on this topic until then?

If you could send Openreach down to Farnborough to upgrade us first, quite a few of my neighbours and I would like an alternative to our slow FTTC and expensive Virgin Media options.

I think he maybe a bit annoyed that lots of people are now able to get FTTP, and his town is way down the list meaning he wont be able to get it anytime soon and trying to justify why FTTC is far superior.

In reply to a post by Alucidnation:

I think he maybe a bit annoyed that lots of people are now able to get FTTP, and his town is way down the list meaning he wont be able to get it anytime soon and trying to justify why FTTC is far superior.

Wrong, I have access to an Alt network called Zzoomm, while I would have to wait for my contract to run out in June to be able to get that, it is now available I think half the city.
Also, Openreach have also got FTTp in maybe a quarter of the city including my road, they seem to be following ZZoomm, so If I wanted to get FTTP via Plusnet, I could order it now. So yes, FTTP is available to me, I am shocked that it is, but it is.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

You will have a few years as you said yourself Openreach FTTP isn't yet fully around your town. When it is, and stop sell on copper occurs, then the clock will start for withdrawal of your existing service.

Perhaps no need to post on this topic until then?

Openreach seems to be following Zzoomm, so when zzoomm have done with a road or area openreach is there soon after if not at the same time.
i saw Openreach around here a few times when Zzoomm was here, i wondered why they were here as I did not think open reach was coming here for a couple more years. So since Zzoomm is supposed to finish the city by spring next year, I doubt openreach will be far behind them, and then it will become a stop sell for copper I think, I think I may have till the end of my contract to make up my mind

If you could send Openreach down to Farnborough to upgrade us first, quite a few of my neighbours and I would like an alternative to our slow FTTC and expensive Virgin Media options.

I will ask them the next time I see someone and tell them they can leave Hereford alone for a few months. How slow is your FTTC?

This is just out of interest really, you say you have slow FTTC, so how slow is it and does it stop you doing what you need to do?

My sister-in-law have just had 400Mb/s BT fibre installed and I was there on Christmas day and while my phone was a bit faster on browser when connected to their network, even via wi-fi the speed tests were over 300Mb/s, so pretty good, I wonder if they will get any benefit from the higher speed for the price they pay, after all they had around 60Mb/s on their FTTC. They do get a cheaper price for a few months which for the first 2 years will bring it down to FTTC price, more or less over those two years, but they are also paying for BT mesh system, I don't think I would pay a subscription for better wi-fi in my own home.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

This is just out of interest really, you say you have slow FTTC, so how slow is it and does it stop you doing what you need to do?

We’ve had this conversation in at least two other threads.

I don't think I would pay a subscription for better wi-fi in my own home.

Its just the 2022 version of renting a telephone handset from BT, most people work out quickly its cheaper to buy outright.

Edited by jchamier (Tue 27-Dec-22 14:29:01)