I'll be more interested in the takeup. We know Openreach is building faster than anyone else but can they keep their takeup better than anyone else.

From my observations, BT and Sky are really gaining momentum on selling fibre. They are also selling a lot of sogea which has major operating, repair and labour savings on copper that can be diverted to fibre build.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

FWIW this was a service that had been in for ~5 years and was on the 80/20 Openreach product

The message was mainly aimed at Zyborg47, but in your case it could have been dodgy cabling, or a dodgy line card in the cabinet. FWIW, I was getting 30-35 down and 4-5 up.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

The final straw was a power cut for the area. Discussing on Thinkbroadband at the time the best suggestion was that "early on" users such as myself with modems/routers on 24x7 had managed to keep a lot of our original bandwidth, and "newer joiners" had grabbed what was available. The power cut caused all the modems to start from scratch, likely everyone now had their fair share of a pretty awful medium for predictability.

That sounds like something that came out of a cow's behind. (Phrased to avoid TBB expletive checker). These are all separate lines. Bandwidth isn't "shared" between them, and crosstalk isn't first-come-first-served: it affects both parties equally.

To analyse what actually happened would require seeing the modem stats before and after. My best guess is that the lines had been slowly degrading, and the power outage had caused DLM to notice these bad lines and put a lower cap on them.

Yes, but they have six-figures of paying customers that go a long way to convince people to keep financing them, which a provider getting started in the current economic world does not.

In reply to a post by FibreBubble:

I'll be more interested in the takeup. We know Openreach is building faster than anyone else but can they keep their takeup better than anyone else.

From my observations, BT and Sky are really gaining momentum on selling fibre. They are also selling a lot of sogea which has major operating, repair and labour savings on copper that can be diverted to fibre build.

Openreach figures (link above to most recent KPIs) is a take-up rate of 28.5% as of end Dec 2022.

Individual altnet take-up figures are much more difficult to ascertain, although sometimes found in companies house annual accounts reports etc. or occasionally in the press.

INCA 2022 figures for the altnet sector are here, but are close to 14 months out of date (December 2021). 18.8% take-up as of end Dec 2021 - so a year adrift of the Openreach stats.

At the same point in time as the INCA figures, Openreach was reporting 19.5% take-up

In reply to a post by candlerb:

The message was mainly aimed at Zyborg47, but in your case it could have been dodgy cabling, or a dodgy line card in the cabinet. FWIW, I was getting 30-35 down and 4-5 up.

Previously with BE (long missed) the line had needed two Openreach repairs, one close to the block (underground DP) and one up the street. Then with BT for 24 months, and then with Plusnet

That sounds like something that came out of a cow's behind. (Phrased to avoid TBB expletive checker). These are all separate lines. Bandwidth isn't "shared" between them, and crosstalk isn't first-come-first-served: it affects both parties equally.

At the time I had stats and posted them. Now over 5 years ago, I can't be bothered to search the forum.

My best guess is that the lines had been slowly degrading, and the power outage had caused DLM to notice these bad lines and put a lower cap on them.

Visually at the same time many people had switched from NTL's poor TV service to Sky/Freesat as a lot of sat dishes went up. Suspect "quad play" bundles had increased takeup of DSL services. Not worth rehashing. VM has its own problems... 30 year old street furniture degrades badly as well.

Meanwhile the folks at TBB estimate we are tantalisingly close to an announcement by Ofcom of 50% aggregate residential full fibre coverage in the next week or so.

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/9518-why-we-expe...

I'm expecting to have FTTP available to order next week, proving my property is bang average - currently gets pretty much the same FTTC speed as the UK median, would be poetic if FTTP is enabled on the same week that the numbers tick over 50%.

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In reply to a post by candlerb:

You don't remember the Openreach 40/2 FTTC product then.

I moved house in 2015, and took my Plusnet service with me. Because the line was only capable of 35M, I ordered the "40M" service. However when it was activated, I found it was 40/2 rather than 40/10. That's because the 40/2 wholesale product from Openreach was a few pence per year cheaper than 40/10.

So for the next few years, I had to buy an 80/20 service in order to get a higher upload speed.

Then Openreach changed the pricing so that 40/10 was cheaper at wholesale than 40/2. At that point, the Plusnet 40M service went back to being 40/10.

Aside: for quite a while, Aquiss were selling 40/2 on FTTP. They said it was one of their most popular offerings (something like 35% of FTTP customers took this), even though it was only £1 or £2 less than 40/10. They only stopped selling it because Openreach withdrew the 40/2 FTTP product.

Never heard of 40/2m, as far as I know Plusnet offered two when I Joined, one up to around 40 and one up to 80. and what ever the uploads were for them.

In reply to a post by FibreBubble:

I'll be more interested in the takeup. We know Openreach is building faster than anyone else but can they keep their takeup better than anyone else.

From my observations, BT and Sky are really gaining momentum on selling fibre. They are also selling a lot of sogea which has major operating, repair and labour savings on copper that can be diverted to fibre build.

i know this is only one small street and a couple of other streets I walk down, but take up seems to be pretty poor around here at the moment. My street there are four, 2 openreach and two Zzoomm, since Decemberish.
A couple of neighbours i thought would have gone for FTTP is still on FTTC, they could still be under contract and waiting to go with Zzoomm.

chatting to my brother-in-law a few days ago and asking him if they are going to get FTTP and he said no as he is fine with what he has got and my sister don't really bother with the net much apart from using the Ipad to use facetime. My brother also have no interest in changing to FTTP. again because what he uses his broadband for is pretty limited, just a bit of streaming and browsing.

Even people i chat to at work say they don't feel the need to change, that is after I tell some of them the difference between FTTC and FTTP as a lot of them think they are already on Full fibre.

Providers need to give people a reason to change instead of just saying it is faster, the problem is there is not much they can say that will make people think it is better. no good saying it is more reliable, as a lot of people don't have any problem with their FTTC,so they will say, well mine is reliable.

They have not been pushing it as much as I thought they would, I mean openrerach, ZZoomm have, almost every other week we have a leaflet through the door, but apart from the leaflet from Vodafone saying that we now have full fibre I have had nothing else. even Plusnet have been quiet, maybe it is because we are not in a FTTP priority zone.

I suppose at the end of the day it is only around 3-4 months since we have had Full fibre around here, we see what happens as time goes by.