In reply to a post by gorebrush:

Yes, I was blatantly trolling - but I've read your comments on ISPR for months and months talking down FTTP, higher speeds at every single opportunity - now that the cost is decent you decide that you will jump ship to FTTP?

Just find it all a bit ironic. FTTP will ultimately be far more reliable for everyone - it's far far far better than copper technology, and your comments do not help persuade people to get away from copper.

This industry has shot itself in the foot 10 years ago when it billed this new fangled FTTC as "fibre" - now everyone thinks they have fibre internet and frankly, they don't.

What I was saying that not everyone needs higher speeds, and it annoyed me that all we heard about FTTP was one gigabit speeds and that sort of thing as if that is all that mattered. As I said to your post, I still don't need the high speed, what difference will 500Mb/s make? Maybe fast-forward and rewind on streaming will be better. I don;lt really download that much, even less now with the Mac, I do download updates for the few games i have on my PC, but to be honest most of the games I have on my PC are not updated these days.

Cost is one of the reasons I have jumped ship, I don't deny that, but that is not the only factor. as have been said on here by Billford, eventually we will have to go to fibre. Openrerach have been laying Fibre around the city like crazy, certainly since Zzoomm have been here and Zzoomm is coming to the end of its build here, I don't know how far Openreach have got, but I think give it 12-18 months, and they will be up to the point where they will not accept any more FTTC orders. Our exchange covers a large area, the whole city and some areas on the outskirts.
If I go for another 18 month contract, by the end of that I may not have much choice anyway, so prefer to do it on my own terms and not be pushed.

I was to be honest on the verge of moving to Zzoomm anyway, because even before the offer, the price difference was minimal to what I would be paying for FTTC, so when the offer of £24.99 for 500Mb/s, it did make the choice easier.


You say, FTTP will ultimately be far more reliable for everyone, but will it? One thing that put me off is the amount of people that complains about Zzoomm reliability on Faceache, even the Plusnet forum have it fair share of moans about fibre, and other forums.I chat to someone online who had Fibre installed a few months ago from EE and they have a problem at least once a week. On sunday when I chatted to him, he went off-line, only to text me saying that the LOS LED have lit up on his ONT. It did come start working again after a few minutes, but by all accounts that happens to him a lot. The fibre itself may be reliable, but it is the equipment at either end that may be the problem
I do realise that more people will complain than say if things are ok.


I had a chat to a neighbour who have Zzoomm and they say it is fine, apart from his wife have problems getting Wi-fi to her phone in one of the bedrooms, ZZoomm old router is not very good, people who have used their own router seems to have fewer problems. Zzoomm do have a new router, but I expect I will use my own, once they have installed it. i can use a mesh system on my own, which I will want for getting a signal outside to the back yard.

I know this is long, sorry.

I have never told people not to go with fibre, in fact I have said to a lot of people Fibre may be a better option, a friend and her partner had ZZoomm installed last week because i said it may be a better option than getting a better deal from Talk Talk, like me, they said they did not really need the speed, but since there is two of them, both sometimes watching different things, it seemed to be the best way to go. I am meeting them for a coffee later, so I can find out how it is going.

I agree that industry did shoot itself in the foot, there are still signs on the cabinets saying fibre is here, but FTTC was still an improvement on ADSL and for how things are now, not having FTTC would make a lot of what we do on the net now not possible or a pain in the neck.


i could still change my mind before it is installed.,

LOL, only joking.

I hope the survey goes ok, it should do as the fibre is coming from the pole, survey and installation is on the same day.

Right, this post is long enough and I must start getting ready to go out for a coffee and maybe some stronger drinks, depending on how my friend feels today. Saying that, not sure if I feel like alcohol

In reply to a post by dect:

I no longer visit as its a cesspit of people with opposing opinions posting with the direct intention of aggravating others (I became part of it after being racially abused and feeling the need to get my own back). There are very few good people there but I fully respect those who defended me when I use to post there.

it is a public board, so you are going to get people with opposing opinions, and if it aggravates others, then that is life, people have got too soft and these days it is getting to the stage where we have to step on eggshells so not to upset someone. Being racially abused, I don;lt agree with that, but sometimes, people thing they are being racially abused and they are not, not saying that was the case for you, but it does happen. As I said, eggshells, fed up with it myself.

Right, now I must get ready to have a nice relaxing coffee with some friends.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Being racially abused

Lots more I could say about my experience of being targeted for racial abuse on this forum but its going way-way-way off topic for this thread.

Edited by deleted (Wed 31-May-23 15:55:39)

I have read all of your post and you have mentioned before that you certainly don't need the extra speeds just to have FTTP.

At some point obviously Zzoomm were going to sway you over with a cheaper deal. It is part of a marketing strategy. They know most internet users who don't have real reliability issues with FTTC will remain with FTTC. So they have to give you an offer to entice you to switch.

This is happening here in Central London as well Hyperoptic, Community Fibre, G.Network are all offering cheaper deals than what Openreach FTTC have to offer. People are mostly switching because the deals are cheaper not because most users need it.

I now have Community Fibre live in my building as of the last 6 months but not switched yet. For years I've been fighting for a wayleave agreement. I was desperate as I was on an Exchange Only Line (no FTTC) until October 2019 when the miracle happened that Openreach upgraded us to FTTC while other buildings in my area on EO Line have not been upgraded to FTTC.

When I needed Hyperoptic /FTTP the most, my management company ignored us and would not agree for a wayleave. Now FTTC came and it solved all my disconnection problems, with noise margins, low SNR, etc. I did everything, including upgrading faceplate, removing orange ring wire, changing micro filters. On ADSL there was no solution.

Even on FTTC when I was with TalkTalk the internet connection would drop-out when picking up the landline phone! But with BT FTTC Digital Voice this resolved this technical fault as phone is all VOIP.

And being an online chess player as well as FIFA player, I know how frustrating it was to have connection drop-outs. I would get loss records and rating drops. Getting connection drops when you are winning is the most frustrating experience. I now no longer suffer from connection drop-outs with FTTC last 3 years.

Reliability is the single most important factor for wanting FTTP. Speed is not even that big of a deal, but it is a bonus. 80/20 is more than enough, I'll be honest. I remember when I bought NBA 2K15 PC retail version, hoping I'll get multiple DVDs, but I only got a steam activation key in a cardboard and 50GB took me whole night to download on a 12Mbps ADSL connection. PC was on while I was sleeping. FTTC came and I could install it within just a few hours.

Now of-course it is possible that with games becoming even larger, one day I wouldn't be surprised if most games will average 100-200GB in size. Then FTTP will be our only option, as FTTC will struggle.

Most residents in my building who are light users including my dad will not care if the connection drops and will not be affected as they are not gamers. That doesn't mean FTTP isn't a priority. My housing estate managers are selfish, they certainly never cared about my problem as they don't live in the building as residents to suffer from these connection problems. This wayleave agreement with Community Fibre happened only due to a government intervention to help ease wayleave agreements.

Most people will not care about FTTP unless their ADSL/FTTC widely affects their connection requirements. Even now you'll find people on Facebook, YouTube writing complaints about how an FTTP company is coming to create noise by digging street pavements, etc without being grateful that they are coming to install a service for them!

The Park was a sesspit at times. Banter i love but insulting and backhanded comments.. Also racism sadly . A few should have been banned from this place - i'm not sure if they were or not.

In reply to a post by Taras:

The Park was a sesspit at times. Banter i love but insulting and backhanded comments.. Also racism sadly . A few should have been banned from this place - i'm not sure if they were or not.

The main culprits are sadly still there today goading and looking for confrontation so I suspect not.

the sadest part was when Max go hassles, yes he over posted and sometimes with incorrect info..... whilst it wasn't racist it certainly wasn't nice to see.

In reply to a post by Taras:

The Park was a sesspit at times.

a forum that is now inaccessible to most posters (including me), so I suggest not talking about it in other forums.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by Taras:

The Park was a sesspit at times.

a forum that is now inaccessible to most posters (including me), so I suggest not talking about it in other forums.

+1

In reply to a post by jchamier:

a forum that is now inaccessible to most posters (including me), so I suggest not talking about it in other forums.

Hi James,

I agree talking about the 'The Park' is way off topic and may make some people feel very uncomfortable on here but I don't agree with your (and the +1) justification that we shouldn't talk about things that are inaccessible to a lot of people as that could include FTTP as well

I'm happy to revert to the conversation about a Zzoomm letter and Adrian ordering it.

Edited by deleted (Thu 01-Jun-23 08:34:40)