You seem to be certain that it is not enforceable in law in any way, (in the case of a tenant I would tend to agree), but in the case of a home owner signing up I would not be so sure.

We need to consider the Boris Factor in that we need to remember that Boris was the Prime Minister and who knows what sort of legal ploys that guy has authorized.

This so called wayleave seems to be open ended and wide ranging once you sign up to their service. - eg. Here is a huge Zzoom Cabinet on your property for the whole area: but I cancelled years ago; no matter - we have a wayleave. - (or in a dystopian world; those monitors in the corners of your rooms are ours and they must be connected at all times).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/guidance-on-access-agree...

Personally with T&C of that type, I would avoid Zzoomm like the plague.

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We need to consider the Boris Factor in that we need to remember that Boris was the Prime Minister and who knows what sort of legal ploys that guy has authorized.

Give it a break with the political nonsense, its not your first time Boris banishing here. We can all talk political nonsense to suit our political beliefs but here is not the place for it.

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In reply to a post by Fido:

We need to consider the Boris Factor in that we need to remember that Boris was the Prime Minister and who knows what sort of legal ploys that guy has authorized.

Give it a break with the political nonsense, its not your first time Boris banishing here. We can all talk political nonsense to suit our political beliefs but here is not the place for it.

It could be relevant as the only good thing that Boris, (that paragon of virtue), did was to push for faster broadband, (Albeit many many years behind the rest of the Europe as, (over 5 years ago thanks to the EU), even 80 percent of Spain had FTTP and it was clear in 2016 that all of the good regulations came out of the EU and all of the rubbish came out of Westminster).

Like it or not: In his haste Boris usually created a mess as he had the Complete Opposite to the Midas Touch and the telecommunications regulation were updated during his time and it is not political to point it out.

In reply to a post by Fido:

You seem to be certain that it is not enforceable in law in any way, (in the case of a tenant I would tend to agree), but in the case of a home owner signing up I would not be so sure.

We need to consider the Boris Factor in that we need to remember that Boris was the Prime Minister and who knows what sort of legal ploys that guy has authorized.

This so called wayleave seems to be open ended and wide ranging once you sign up to their service. - eg. Here is a huge Zzoom Cabinet on your property for the whole area: but I cancelled years ago; no matter - we have a wayleave. - (or in a dystopian world; those monitors in the corners of your rooms are ours and they must be connected at all times).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/guidance-on-access-agree...

Personally with T&C of that type, I would avoid Zzoomm like the plague.

OK this is getting extremely weird and whacky.

The point is that no entity can enforce terms on “wayleave” on a broadband product on a property that you no longer own. It’s frankly embarrassing and ridiculous to even suggest this, let alone have this in writing.

Secondly as the service is for your own use - once the contract for that service is up you can do what you want with anything that on your land or property. You are not forced to keep it. Believe me you can get out there with the spade and garden shears and nobody is going to come after you on your own property.

Unless it’s writ in the title or deeds of the property, it’s as worthless as the mythical (electronic) paper it’s written on.

In reply to a post by Fido:

It could be relevant as the only good thing that Boris, (that paragon of virtue), did was to push for faster broadband

I would dispute that, the UK public voted the Tories in by a majority of 80+ seats in 2019 to get something extremely important done and he achieved that so maybe he did 2 good things then. As I said we can all talk political nonsense to suit our political beliefs but here is not the place for it.

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Personally with T&C of that type, I would avoid Zzoomm like the plague.

Maybe you should have a look at others, also have a look at Openreach as well,
But avoid it if you want, No one is asking you to use it.
I really don't believe this place, I finally make up my mind to get fibre and when I do, people try to make me change my mind. If Zzoomm was not here, I would not. be going fibre, I can assure you. The only reasons I am going to ZZoomm is because the price is good, they have a 12 month contract and also get off Openreach network.

Just to make it proper I decided to get permission from my landlord, and they have given me permission
I can confirm that Connexus has no objection to Zoom installing Fibre Optic Broadband at the
property, subject to your agreement being bound by the following conditions: -

The conditions are that I fix stuff, like holes in walls if I decide to get rid of zzoomm and all that sort of thing. Just cover their backs, really.

What makes me laugh is that they sent me a PDF of the agreement via email and yet I have to print it out, sign it and send it back by post.

What makes me laugh is that they sent me a PDF of the agreement via email and yet I have to print it out, sign it and send it back by post.

That is still pretty common. You can send it via PDF as an unsigned document as there is nothing "secure" about that version. Once you have signed it though then it is considered to be a wet signature and the only way to send that back is as the original. There are some things that still require by law or convention to have a wet signature but most companies these days are willing to accept scans of signed documents, electronic signatures or even a signature written on the screen using a finger - some firms are more willing to take non-wet signatures than others.

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That is still pretty common. You can send it via PDF as an unsigned document as there is nothing "secure" about that version. Once you have signed it though then it is considered to be a wet signature and the only way to send that back is as the original. There are some things that still require by law or convention to have a wet signature but most companies these days are willing to accept scans of signed documents, electronic signatures or even a signature written on the screen using a finger - some firms are more willing to take non-wet signatures than others.

Yeah, i know, but it is very strange when we are supposed to have the paperless office, at work the amount of stuff that is printed out is horrendous.
No idea what I was supposed to do if I did into have a printer. I suppose I could have put it in my work one drive and printed it off at work. Anyway, done and dusted. Shocked that a first class stamp now costs £1.10 and the first post from our local post box is not until 5PM. So prices have gone up, service have gone down, seems to be the norm in this day and age. i have some old stamps, but by all accounts I can't use them now. I got a black adder one from the post office.
shows how long it has been since I have sent anything though the post.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Just to make it proper I decided to get permission from my landlord, and they have given me permission
I can confirm that Connexus has no objection to Zoom installing Fibre Optic Broadband at the
property, subject to your agreement being bound by the following conditions: -

Hopefully you got in writing that they are fully aware of the Zzoomm T's & C's and accept any part that may be considered transferable to them.