In reply to a post by Realalemadrid:

It doesn't affect your speed, it's the same FTTC service. Some suppliers are saying you will get better speeds on SOGEA, it's not true.

Completely agree.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Yes, and it will remain available until a copper "stop sell" applies in that area. At that point, if FTTP is available at your property then you'll no longer be able to order a new SOGEA line, regrade your existing one, or migrate it to a different ISP.

However, you can continue with your existing line under your existing ISP: it won't be pulled away from you.

Openreach are counting on natural churn. *Eventually* I imagine Openreach will apply pressure to your ISP to get you to migrate, but I've not yet seen any scheme to forcibly terminate SOGEA service, because there's no hard cutoff time for copper withdrawal.

(That's unlike the PSTN withdrawal, where there's a hard cutoff of Dec 2025. Plans have been announced to start intermittently degrading broadband service on WLR lines, to try to force users to contact their ISP and get a regrade to SOGEA. Whether people will act remains to be seen)

However if you are with an ISP within the BT group (BT, EE, Plusnet) then they are likely to be proactive in moving you over to FTTP when it becomes available, and you may have to fight if you want to stay on SOGEA.

Openreach don't need to do it, providers are doing it for them. Talk Talk is forcing people onto FTTP, by giving them what they call a free upgrade. Not sure how that would work here, since TalkTalk still seem to think there is no Openreach FTTP available. You go to other providers and they show FTTP only. People don't seem to be having much choice if they have FTTP available.

In reply to a post by Peterdevon:

Well I swapped my line to sogea some weeks ago as the price was benificial, my speed has now dropped some 5mb and also the hand back speed has been dropped significantly

Should not affect it at all, Maybe have a word with your ISP.

Problem with degrading WLR to encourage migration to FTTC is that we have locations where FTTC collapses within 40mins of a power outage, but WLR stays up for hours because the exchange kit is on maintained power. That's why we keep WLR. FTTP from a provider who can provide the same resilience to power outage as we have on WLR is not yet available and may never be.

In reply to a post by ajseeds:

Problem with degrading WLR to encourage migration to FTTC is that we have locations where FTTC collapses within 40mins of a power outage, but WLR stays up for hours because the exchange kit is on maintained power. That's why we keep WLR. FTTP from a provider who can provide the same resilience to power outage as we have on WLR is not yet available and may never be.

A UPS at your end is the expected solution to that - and that is not likely to change.

If you get FTTP available I would migrate to it from SOGEA as FTTP is a newer better product. the only reason I would have for not moving to FTTP would be I lose my analogue line and have to get a pure digital phone line.
You would of lost your Analogue line on SOGEA anyway so essentially you would have a line that's susceptible to the elements and cable length. With FTTP being comparable to SOGEA in price its really a no brainer to keep SOGEA.

Why would you want a 50 year old line prone to faults if you have FTTP available??

Think you are confusing WLR and FTTC

BT are removing the Analogue phone line from the FTTC product sogea is still FTTC bit with no PTSN as SYSTEMs X and SYSTEMS Y (the phone network) are being turned off the new FTTC equipment is fully battery backed up (as was system x/y)

There are Battery back up solutions for FTTx you would just need to invest in them if you needed a phone line while BT / or the power company fix the power cut.

In reply to a post by pyarwood:

the new FTTC equipment is fully battery backed up (as was system x/y)

You can't compare the backup solution of a FTTC cabinet with the backup available at the exchange for System X (or Y)

In reply to a post by PCJM40:

In reply to a post by pyarwood:

the new FTTC equipment is fully battery backed up (as was system x/y)

You can't compare the backup solution of a FTTC cabinet with the backup available at the exchange for System X (or Y)

I guess you can compare it... but it just doesn't compare very well!