In reply to a post by Taras:

You'd need a custom solution for that to work in a home plus a pcie x4 or x8 slot (depending on pcie version) and you'd have to go with a custom wifi solution as you'd use a pc for routing..

not for the fainthearted.

AI is the only thing now that will saturate multigig connections, gaming won't, downloading won't (most servers are 1gbit minus cdn's ) When i mean ai, as in it creating large datasets and moving those around and or downloading large datasets - in real time.

Anyways, for me, i need 500mbits to 1gbit down and 500mbits up ideally .......

AI? what are you on about.

A Mikrotik CCR2004-1g-12s+2xs would be sufficient. I run that already. Yes you're not going to hit 20gbit over wifi, that's not the intention. A few 6E APs would probably be what people would run.

I have that kit now for my 2gbit down connection.

Ref the PCIe cards, cheap Mellanox ConnectX-4Lx cards from ebay work fine. It's cheaper to do 25G with SFP28 modules and DAC cables than it is 10G with RJ45/Cat6.

Oh I was planning on upgrading my RB4011iGS+RM over the next few years to possibly the CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS or a CRS326-24S+2Q+RM to future proof not that I would ever go for that speed, but more to run a 10GBit LAN to each room.

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In reply to a post by nemeth782:

AI? what are you on about.

read up on big data and ai. Understand the need for large datasets probably changing in real time then, you start to release the bandwidth issues. Will it hit our homes in the next 10 or 15 years who knows.

In reply to a post by nemeth782:

A Mikrotik CCR2004-1g-12s+2xs would be sufficient. I run that already. Yes you're not going to hit 20gbit over wifi, that's not the intention. A few 6E APs would probably be what people would run.

I have that kit now for my 2gbit down connection.

Ref the PCIe cards, cheap Mellanox ConnectX-4Lx cards from ebay work fine. It's cheaper to do 25G with SFP28 modules and DAC cables than it is 10G with RJ45/Cat6.

I'm happy for you, just as i will be happy with my network, enjoy

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

Oh I was planning on upgrading my RB4011iGS+RM over the next few years to possibly the CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS or a CRS326-24S+2Q+RM to future proof not that I would ever go for that speed, but more to run a 10GBit LAN to each room.

Bear in mind that the CRS326-24S+2Q+RM is a switch, not a router. It has only a single core 650MHz MIPS CPU; it will switch at line speed but it will only route at about 200Mbps! So you definitely need a separate router upstream from it.

The CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS does look cool, although with only a 4-core CPU and no layer 3 offloading, it seems a bit underpowered for 10G. For 2G or 3G presented on a 10G port I think it would be OK.

The CCR2116-12G-4S+ has the opposite problem: plenty of power but only 4 x 10G ports.

If you have to ask the price of the CCR2216-1G-12XS-2XQ, then you can't afford it

It always amazes me when people comment with "you can't get the full 20Gbit download speed from websites"

This is probably obvious to most children at this point. It's also obvious to most that the purpose of these multi-gigabit connections is for multiple users to have multi-gigabit performance from the same connection.

I wonder if the same people comment on car forums that a Bugatti can't achieve 300MPH on UK motorways?

In reply to a post by candlerb:

The CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS does look cool, although with only a 4-core CPU and no layer 3 offloading, it seems a bit underpowered for 10G. For 2G or 3G presented on a 10G port I think it would be OK.

It's fine for 15 Gbps or so. Sources: Init7 and my own testing.

Mikrotik's own test results: https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs#fndt...

If you're doing 1500-byte MTU packets, then total throughput 14.3G (with 25 IP filter rules). Remember you need 20G of routing throughput if you want to max a 10G link in both directions.

With 512 byte packets this drops to 4.8G. Worst case 64-byte packets, 636Mbps. They don't give an IMIX figure.

So yeah: probably "good enough" if you're just doing big file downloads at home, but I wouldn't run a data centre off it.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Mikrotik's own test results: https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs#fndt...

If you're doing 1500-byte MTU packets, then total throughput 14.3G (with 25 IP filter rules). Remember you need 20G of routing throughput if you want to max a 10G link in both directions.

With 512 byte packets this drops to 4.8G. Worst case 64-byte packets, 636Mbps. They don't give an IMIX figure.

So yeah: probably "good enough" if you're just doing big file downloads at home, but I wouldn't run a data centre off it.

But I mean we're talking about a 20Gbps home product, so probably about right then. Home users also don't tend to need loads of IP filter rules, so quoting the 64 byte worst case figure with loads of rules is a bit disingenuous. The average home router would do a lot less than 636Mbps in that scenario so shouldn't be used on 1gbit services?

If you do want to run a datacentre, there is the 2216 : https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2216_1g_12xs_2xq#fnd...

Edited by nemeth782 (Mon 01-Jan-24 11:21:15)

I don't think anybody is saying it's bad value or even a bad product, you just have to be careful quite often with MikroTik as it's quite cheap to chuck interfaces on a device but backing them up with processing performance is more expensive. The CCR2004 "only" has 50Gbps available for all the ports to share, it's the sort of device where you can use a handful of the 10Gb interfaces or you're using the 25Gb ones because that's what's at the other end and you might be able to go a bit quicker than 10Gb in certain situations. It's doing about what a 4-core ARM CPU can be expected to handle.

In reply to a post by jpm:

I don't think anybody is saying it's bad value or even a bad product, you just have to be careful quite often with MikroTik as it's quite cheap to chuck interfaces on a device but backing them up with processing performance is more expensive. The CCR2004 "only" has 50Gbps available for all the ports to share, it's the sort of device where you can use a handful of the 10Gb interfaces or you're using the 25Gb ones because that's what's at the other end and you might be able to go a bit quicker than 10Gb in certain situations. It's doing about what a 4-core ARM CPU can be expected to handle.

Yeah, fully aware of the bandwidth limits, hence I use it as a router (with a single WAN port and single LAN port) and not a switch

But if running some ISP provided integrated router and WAP (that quite probably doesn't even support VLANs, and is going to have way lower than 600mbit of throughput in the small frame, many rule scenario I was replying to) is acceptable on a 1G service, then running a CCR2004 on a 20Gbit service is acceptable for home use imo.

I guess what I'm getting to, is that a user on a CCR2004 can make as much use of a 20Gbit service as a user on an EE Smart Hub Plus can make use of a 1.6gbit connection.

Edited by nemeth782 (Mon 01-Jan-24 14:20:26)