In reply to a post by Sponge35:

A shared GPON network 1G/1G on a retail contract is quite different to a business / school / charity with an office that has 300 Mbps symmetric over a leased line circuit.

It is indeed - however the bandwidfth demands are the point, rather than the bearer.... my point being that about 400 users rarely saturate a 300Mbps connection. One person could, easily, if they were downloading the internet (or all the films they could never watch)

To be fair a fraction of the students will presumably be online at any one time and they will be heavily filtered with the staff somewhat less strictly controlled but still pretty aggressively filtered as far as access to the Internet goes. Can't really compare that to residential usage per user.

FWIW residential usage is roughly 5-7.5 Mbit/s per home sustained, though of course there are bursts way higher and those have to be catered for.

As you mentioned earlier it's all very much about doing the same things more quickly. Most of us could, reluctantly, just about get by on double-digits megabits per second to our homes we just want to do more than get by.

In reply to a post by Sponge35:

It is indeed - however the bandwidfth demands are the point, rather than the bearer.... my point being that about 400 users rarely saturate a 300Mbps connection. One person could, easily, if they were downloading the internet (or all the films they could never watch)

No disagreement from me, we used to have 1500 office users on a 3 Mbps line in 2000... but everyone's requirements change, and the way we use computers changes.

FWIW Our leased line circuit is a fibre, symmetric, 1Gbps bearer (what specific product it is I don't know as the LA deals with that side of things) with a nominal 300Mbps enabled bandwidth... though it may have been enabled at 1Gbps for a while (cough - a year or so) before anyone noticed and turned down the wick at Christmas. On Monday it gets officially set to 1Gbps.

My friend (teacher) at a school their IT person now runs everything separate from the LA, and they have a 200 Mbs symmetric service, no idea if copper or fibre bearer. Cable apparently wasn't interested, and the Alt Net is still building. No sign of Openreach FTTP in town.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

My friend (teacher) at a school their IT person now runs everything separate from the LA, and they have a 200 Mbs symmetric service, no idea if copper or fibre bearer. Cable apparently wasn't interested, and the Alt Net is still building. No sign of Openreach FTTP in town.

Interestingly, I was just talking to a friend at my kids' school and he (while being entirely non-IT!) told me that the school has a boat-load of fibre bandwidth, but now resells a chunk of it to a local new-build estate via a microwave link on the roof. They worked out that, quite logically, school bandwidth usage and domestic bandwidth usage are almost entirely at opposite parts of the day, so it doesn't cost the school anything more and they offset a large chunk of their infrastructure budget by flogging their unused, out of hours capacity to a third-party. Quite a canny move, TBH.

Where I work is a bit of a rural internet backwater with residents struggling to get even the lowest levels of broadband speed, with fibre not being on the roadmap yet. I sometimes feel rather guilty at the 100Gbps+ that we have coming into our building and am rather glad that noone locally knows about it or we'd probably have them banging on the doors with pitchforks!

In reply to a post by daern:

In reply to a post by jchamier:

My friend (teacher) at a school their IT person now runs everything separate from the LA, and they have a 200 Mbs symmetric service, no idea if copper or fibre bearer. Cable apparently wasn't interested, and the Alt Net is still building. No sign of Openreach FTTP in town.

Interestingly, I was just talking to a friend at my kids' school and he (while being entirely non-IT!) told me that the school has a boat-load of fibre bandwidth, but now resells a chunk of it to a local new-build estate via a microwave link on the roof. They worked out that, quite logically, school bandwidth usage and domestic bandwidth usage are almost entirely at opposite parts of the day, so it doesn't cost the school anything more and they offset a large chunk of their infrastructure budget by flogging their unused, out of hours capacity to a third-party. Quite a canny move, TBH.

Quite a dodgy move. Isn't their bandwidth to resell.

In reply to a post by daern:

I work is a bit of a rural internet backwater with residents struggling to get even the lowest levels of broadband speed, with fibre not being on the roadmap yet. I sometimes feel rather guilty at the 100Gbps+ that we have coming into our building and am rather glad that noone locally knows about it or we'd probably have them banging on the doors with pitchforks!

A school, business or whatever having those speeds while the residential folks don't is nothing out of the ordinary.

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

Quite a dodgy move. Isn't their bandwidth to resell.

Only dodgy if they've not agreed it with the supplier surely?

Quite a dodgy move. Isn't their bandwidth to resell.

Well, I guess the school are paying for it and in these current times, I can't see anyone arguing with them reselling unused capacity to recoup some of that budget back. Who is going to tell them not to do it?

In reply to a post by daern:

Quite a dodgy move. Isn't their bandwidth to resell.

Who is going to tell them not to do it?

Their supplier, who's t&c's will certainly forbid it.
The school would also be legally responsible for whatever a random resident downloads, with any legal correspondence being sent to them.
I think such a situation to be highly unlikely. Schools/councils also have legal departments that would advise against that.

A microwave link on the school roof utilising the schools spare fibres, done through the supplier with the school getting some kind of kickback sounds possible.
The school just piggybacking their own connection/excess bandwidth to a nearby estate would be inadvisable.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

Their supplier, who's t&c's will certainly forbid it.

Nah. On a domestic broadband connection, probably. On a commercial service, I've never seen such a caveat. Knock your socks out with it.

You know, I'm going to go with "they probably know what they're doing" on this one.