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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Sun 16-Jun-24 17:23:38
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Re: Altnet vs BT Wholesale ISP's (pricing)


[re: XGS_Is_On] [link to this post]
 
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In reply to a post by seb:
I've heard from providers (who won't go on-the-record) that 900Mbps or 100Mbps services won't hugely affect usage so it doesn't cost more to provide faster services (when you're talking altnet full fibre) in the sense of actual data usage.


Sorry for replying to something so late. I guess it makes sense they won't want to go on the record but it's pretty well known in capacity planning. The major expense is having to have the empty capacity there for users to burst into. As cable companies found out when providing tier uplifts usage doesn't go up proportionally to burst and after a point doesn't budge. Almost everyone does the same things faster.

Init7 in Switzerland epitomise this. Same price for 10 or 25 Gbit, customer just pays for the SFP28 optics.


This is what I expected, but didnt post it given I am not an industry insider, but to me saying no cost at all felt wrong, as there needs to be the ability to burst (AAISP e.g. spent on FB9000 to support gigabit services), your explanation makes sense and am glad you posted it.

Standard User jabuzzard
(experienced) Tue 18-Jun-24 11:18:56
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I wonder if this might be GoFibre 'reserving' their place on the poles, pending a proper installation. I think I've read about this sometimes happening with PIA, a kind of altnet 'race for (pole) space'.


I doubt it. There was a report in late September 2022 on ISPreview that Axione was in build in Tayport but frankly, that was a total lie and there still has been zero evidence of them doing anything in the intervening 21 months.

GoFibre surveyed Tayport in August/September 2021, I signed a contract with them in December 2021. They started doing some actual work last year, but I am still waiting to go live. The box has been hanging from the telegraph pole with cable ties for months now. But they work at an utter snails place. There is a draw rope for a pole that was fitted in August 2023 going by the label on it that is waiting to be used and the likely reason I still don't have service.

Openreach announced three weeks ago that Tayport was now in their plans but that is years after GoFibre started in the area. Even their own extra poles that are in service are substandard. Let's not bother with metal caping on the fibre coming out of the ground. Hey, let's not bother even getting it straight and clipped to the pole!

My view is they are generally incompetent, the build quality is abysmal, the product offering is poor (CGNAT) and expensive. I just hope Openreach enable me before they go bust.
Standard User daern
(regular) Tue 18-Jun-24 12:00:36
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GoFibre surveyed Tayport in August/September 2021, I signed a contract with them in December 2021. They started doing some actual work last year, but I am still waiting to go live. The box has been hanging from the telegraph pole with cable ties for months now. But they work at an utter snails place. There is a draw rope for a pole that was fitted in August 2023 going by the label on it that is waiting to be used and the likely reason I still don't have service.

Good grief, that's pretty dreadful really. We had the first "coming soon!" from Openreach in Dec 2020, but obviously they don't take any pre-availability orders. As of today (June 2024), Openreach have still not come up the street and we're still not in any build plan from them. I'm extremely glad that we now have an alternative (or, at least, we should do by tomorrow!) or I'd be going insane with our rubbish FTTC provision and lack of other options.

Have you contacted them to ask for an update?


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Standard User jabuzzard
(experienced) Tue 18-Jun-24 13:33:36
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Most of the area around me has service ready to order. I have figured out how they are going to supply my pole which will not be like Openreach which is underground and probably direct buried across the church grounds. I guess they didn't stick a new pole in around this church as it is category C listed (think grade III if you are in England/Wales) like they have done elsewhere.

It looks very like they are going to bring it in from different pole, but that pole is also supplied buried across a different churches grounds. Instead they have recently strung some blue polypropylene rope from another Openreach pole to that though it goes through some trees so not sure how happy I am about that. This pole is the one with a pull rope presumably to the pavement chamber a couple of metres away with a label suggesting it was fitted in August 2023.

As for contacting them total waste of time they have no idea when anything is going to be done. I will just keep an eye on the pole with the blue rope and when that gets replaced with actual fibre I will know service is likely to be soon.

Fortunately for me I have a good FTTC connection, but the download has over the years fallen from a full 80Mbps to ~70Mbps.
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