In reply to a post by jchamier:

You answered your own question. The ISPs that don't use a wall mounted ONT and have a run from the outside CSP into the home and then straight into a router that is sitting on a desk (thinking of pictures of VM over nexfibre) seem to be sort sighted.

Fibre isn't that delicate, but over the next 20 years it may not be as robust as copper with the vaccumm bumping into it each weekend if its run along the skirting.

Mine is behind my TV, so the vacuum is not going to get there that often, But I do need to get behind there to replace the skirting board, also going to give the living room a quick paint just to freshen it up.

My fibre is not by the skirting board.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

My fibre is not by the skirting board.

Other people's might be.

I'm amazed at all the different ways things are done, I'm with Community Fibre Ltd, Live in a block of 16 maisonettes 8 on top of 8, the main distribution box is at the end of the block, the fragile looking fibre wires are then run under the bedroom windows and coiled outside each property until they require connection, then like mine it is uncoiled and run down to the roof of the walkway and in through the top of the front door frame, down to the skirting and terminated in a small splice box, spliced to a more robust covered fibre cable that has the connection to the ONT which was just left on the cabinet that I have all the other things on, I have now attached it to a board standing up so it all looks a bit neater and can't be accidently knocked off the cabinet, any extra cable was then coiled up outside the front door.

So far in well over 4 years I have only had a couple of downtimes from external problems and one internal when a Network engineer laid some CAT5 or 6 between the setup in the hallway and front room and bedroom and caught the fibre cable near the door, necessitating an engineer to come and resplice the cable

if its into a xgs-pon sfp+ module then thats better but if its straight into a combined optical ont/router then its not so good.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

My fibre is not by the skirting board.

Other people's might be.

If installers have any sense, they would put the fibre above the skirting board, that was how I was going to run my Ethernet, until i realised I needed two cables.

Fibre was coiled up on the pole for a few weeks, it don't seemed to have caused any problems. Over 12 months and only one what I would call major problem, and that was when someone decided to dig into a trunk fibre and slowed down my broadband to dial up at busy times . Took a few days to sort out. I had a couple of minor niggles , but not for at least 12 months or so.
I did have a email today, saying that I will get interruption around 12 midnight for 10 minutes due to a software upgrade to the cabinet. That is something we never had with FTTC,. I think they may have been better to do it later than 12 midnight, as some people may still be awake.

I must admit, the network has been reliable,

In reply to a post by DFScale:

In reply to a post by Alucidnation:

Apparently, they are moving to new modem/routers with the fibre SFP straight into the back of the router.

A retrograde step

In what way?

Surely not having all the extra boxes required for a connection can only be a good thing?

In reply to a post by Thaumaturge:

Does that mean that the user will be stuck with their supplied router again? 2 or 3 years ago when I had the choice to go with them and decided not to, one of the reasons was that they wouldn't permit me to use my own router. They were PPPoE back then, and they wouldn't give out the connection credentials. Don't know if that's still true, but I thought they had become a bit more relaxed about user supplied routers these days.

Yep, you can admin into the ISP router to get the PPPoE log in.

They just wont support it if you have issues, like most ISPs i think.

In reply to a post by Alucidnation:

In what way?

Surely not having all the extra boxes required for a connection can only be a good thing?

By going fibre into the router, the only box which is saved is the ONT. So it is not extra boxES, just one box on the wall, which is in any case less trouble than a frrestanding box.

The benefits of the ONT are that the interface to the customer is an ethernet cable. You don't get involved with fibre, you don't get involved with line stats to do with the suppliers network like you do with ADSL and FTTC. There is nothing to tweak, it just works and you leave it alone. And the clear interface means that the supplier has no business with your router, no justification to lock it down, no reason to dictate to you what your DHCP range is or even that you use DHCP.

The router is mine, the ONT is theirs, rather than extending the suppliers ownership into the router.

Edited by DFScale (Thu 19-Sep-24 10:31:54)