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Thanks for posting this, I dont think the issue is upload specific, rather that some if they happy wont do a change regardless of how much better the tech is, and the other part is price sensitivity, to some a £1 is a £1 and they will take it regardless of value for money.
We had for many years people telling us Openreach wont do gigabit, because there is no demand, its just the geeks etc. and now we seeing its more than just geeks. I think the upload thing is the same, we have to bear in mind Openreach have very little interaction with consumers, to them customers are aquiss etc.
I think as soon as Openreach offer symmetrical (assuming they do on XGS-PON) there will be proven demand for it.
Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 20-Sep-24 13:17:14)
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For me, the lack of symmetric upload speed means that FTTH isn't a must-have for me, my current FTTC product with ~60Mbps download is sufficient for my download needs, streaming works fine so until BT complete their copper cable removal, I'll be sticking with FTTC.
Also, it won't be possible for the FTTH "master socket" to be located in-place of the FTTC master-socket without removing tiles and floorboards so when the time comes, the FTTH point will be in the lounge rather than in the hall cupboard where the FTTC point is now.
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For me, the lack of symmetric upload speed means that FTTH isn't a must-have for me, my current FTTC product with ~60Mbps download is sufficient for my download needs, streaming works fine so until BT complete their copper cable removal, I'll be sticking with FTTC.
I don't doubt if FTTC works for you, and doesn't degrade, that is can meet your requirements. I have plenty of friends on FTTC. However there are a lot of people where the connection is degrading, either due to crosstalk, or also due to the copper aging, and that triggers people to look at alternatives. Mobile data, or FTTP, or even Virgin Media coax. Openreach won't be removing the copper, it would likely cost more than the copper is worth.
Also, it won't be possible for the FTTH "master socket" to be located in-place of the FTTC master-socket without removing tiles and floorboards so when the time comes, the FTTH point will be in the lounge rather than in the hall cupboard where the FTTC point is now.
In flats the openreach wiring is often in the communal area and run in near the front door, nowhere near any power for an ONT or router. I don't see any reason for a network to follow the old copper path, unless overhead delivery.
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In flats the openreach wiring is often in the communal area and run in near the front door, nowhere near any power for an ONT or router. I don't see any reason for a network to follow the old copper path, unless overhead delivery.
Just remember for older houses with "or" wiring, that was done pre 80s it never even followed to a power plug, it was typically near the front door. The phone never needed power till, answer phones and cordless phones came to the masses.
Edited by Taras (Sat 28-Sep-24 08:25:17)
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Just remember for older houses with "or" wiring, that was done pre 80s it never even followed to a power plug, it was typically near the front door. The phone never needed power till, answer phones and cordless phones came to the masses.
Indeed, because this is where your ‘telephone seat’ with the raised built in table, ideal for you personal phone directory, where you slid the slider on the front to the correct letter of the alphabet, and it popped open at the right section. Who wouldn’t want to make a lengthy call to Aunty Vi sat in the hall ??
Such set ups are still out there … but are increasingly rare these days
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Who wouldn’t want to make a lengthy call to Aunty Vi sat in the hall ?? Apart from the trivial detail of not having an Aunty Vi (or a seat!) I remember it well... it was just the way things were in those days.
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Just remember for older houses with "or" wiring, that was done pre 80s it never even followed to a power plug, it was typically near the front door. The phone never needed power till, answer phones and cordless phones came to the masses.
Yep, visited and lived in some of these. Also lived in 70's build homes where the phone came into the second room, generally described as the dining room, rather than the living/front room or kitchen.
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Indeed, because this is where your ‘telephone seat’ with the raised built in table, ideal for you personal phone directory, where you slid the slider on the front to the correct letter of the alphabet, and it popped open at the right section. Who wouldn’t want to make a lengthy call to Aunty Vi sat in the hall ??
Such set ups are still out there … but are increasingly rare these days
You are showing your age 
We never had a telephone seat at my parent's place, my brother had a phone installed as he was doing a mobile disco, the rest of us siblings were not allowed to use it, unless we asked for permission. We always sat on the stairs, but I do remember the notebook with numbers on the shelf under the small table the phone stood on.
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For me, the lack of symmetric upload speed means that FTTH isn't a must-have for me, my current FTTC product with ~60Mbps download is sufficient for my download needs, streaming works fine so until BT complete their copper cable removal, I'll be sticking with FTTC.
Also, it won't be possible for the FTTH "master socket" to be located in-place of the FTTC master-socket without removing tiles and floorboards so when the time comes, the FTTH point will be in the lounge rather than in the hall cupboard where the FTTC point is now.
If it works for you then carry on, I was happy to stay with FTTC it did the job I needed, and I would have stayed on it if Plusnet gave me a decent price on it and a 18-month contract, but they kept pushing me to FTTP. I did think about moving to another ISP for FTTC, but most was pushing for FTTP, only Now broadband and Onestream was offering decent prices for FTTC. ZZoomm offered me 500Mb/s both ways for £24. My view was if I had to go for FTTP, then I may as well go with a better network than Openreach.
Did I need 500Mb/s both ways? Nope, did come in useful a few days ago when I wanted to get some files off my NAS at my other half place, she has 300Mb/s, so it certainly helped to get the files.
There is not really a master socket for FTTH/P, it is a box that fits on the wall inside where the fibre comes in, that needs power and then LAN from there to your router, which you can put where ever you want if you use a long enough Ethernet cable.
I don't blame you staying with FTTC, I was happy enough with it and that was 36Mb/s ish. Saying that, I am happy with what I have got now, I have even gone for another 12 months contract. I will see where I am when the contract ends, if I will move home or not, even if I stay, I may think about lowering the speed.
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I've had another look at what's available via PlusNet and the upload speed is 115Mbps and not the 200-odd that I'd first thought. Which is a shame as I'd hoped full-fibre would allow me to make the most of on-line backup services for my NAS drive.
They do - I backup every night on my NAS and 115Mbps up is fine because it's an overnight thing.
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