In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Yeah, 4G/5G is the only option backup if FTTP was down as I know FTTP will take longer to get back online than FTTC because of difference techology as for FTTP duct repair or clear will take longer for underground wayleave premission from council.

No, once built, wayleaves are in place, no need to get them again for repairs.

A failure and repair is just that, restoring something approved that has stopped working.

Correct for repairs - may however require a streetworks permit - same for copper though. Perhaps what he meant by 'permission'

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Correct for repairs - may however require a streetworks permit - same for copper though. Perhaps what he meant by 'permission'

Could be, but he did have wayleave there too. Streetworks permits are often relatively easy for repairs but can take time if others are digging the same road. The reason for https://one.network which is a silly name for a website.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

The reason for https://one.network which is a silly name for a website.

yup!!!!!!!!! most silly...........

also its now causeway .............. ,my brain is not computing this verry well .

roadworks.org worked fine yet someone decided it wasn't enough of a brand or whatever goes through people's heads

In reply to a post by MHC:

NO.

FTTP should be way more relaible and is now mature. I had one four hour outage - power cut but could not be bothered to move it to the battery back supply I have for the short time.

As I've posted before, the FTTP to out village went down twice before we had it. The first time I believe it took a couple of hours to sort out, second time took most of a day, these where teething problems, seems to have been very reliable since (firmly grasping a piece of wood). We've had a couple of power cuts, during one the copper phone line went dead as well! This is a vast improvement over our old FTTC.

It now includes Greater London - previously there was a separate website http://public.londonworks.gov.uk/roadworks/home which was TfL owned/run

Had Openreach FTTP for nearly 14 months. Within 2 months we had a 27 day outage, and last month an 8 hour outage.

FTTP certainly *does* have outages: no-one disputes that.

But statistically, FTTP has a much lower fault rate than FTTC. Hence a single example of a bad FTTP fault doesn't really have much relevance to the OP, unless perhaps it's in exactly the same neighbourhood as them.

The original question was: is it worth keeping FTTC as a backup to FTTP? I would say probably not for most people, bearing in mind that an event which causes Openreach FTTP to fail could also cause Openreach FTTC to fail.

If you're going to spend the extra on a backup, you'd be better off choosing an independent provider, e.g. VM, an Altnet, 4G/5G, or Starlink. Correlated faults are still possible even with those (with the possible exception of Starlink).

I'd choose 4G/5G if it were available, given that it's least likely to share infrastructure, is low cost, and is only going to be used rarely (hence connection quality is not a primary concern).

But in practice, I don't have a permanent backup. If FTTP were to fail (and it hasn't in nearly 5 years), I'd tether off my phone for a day or two and buy an add-on data bundle if required.

Edited by candlerb (Fri 03-Jan-25 09:45:16)

In reply to a post by candlerb:

FTTP certainly *does* have outages: no-one disputes that.

But statistically, FTTP has a much lower fault rate than FTTC. Hence a single example of a bad FTTP fault doesn't really have much relevance to the OP, unless perhaps it's in exactly the same neighbourhood as them.

sadly other faults are quite often conflated with the fttp infrastructure.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

The original question was: is it worth keeping FTTC as a backup to FTTP? I would say probably not for most people, bearing in mind that an event which causes Openreach FTTP to fail could also cause Openreach FTTC to fail.

If you're going to spend the extra on a backup, you'd be better off choosing an independent provider, e.g. VM, an Altnet, 4G/5G, or Starlink. Correlated faults are still possible even with those (with the possible exception of Starlink).

One thing, oneweb over 31/12/24 and 1/1/25 failed because of the software at the hq forgetting that 2024 was a leap year. OPPS. also satellite can be disrupted by solar storms .

In reply to a post by candlerb:

I'd choose 4G/5G if it were available, given that it's least likely to share infrastructure, is low cost, and is only going to be used rarely (hence connection quality is not a primary concern).

But in practice, I don't have a permanent backup. If FTTP were to fail (and it hasn't in nearly 5 years), I'd tether off my phone for a day or two and buy an add-on data bundle if required.

I went this route, mainly because of the £6.26 pm data only sim i have which has a two year contract on it. I keep it on backup wan and thats fine. The only downer is if we have a power cut (queue 3 on the 1/1/25 LOL)

In reply to a post by Taras:

One thing, oneweb over 31/12/24 and 1/1/25 failed

I didn't say satellite couldn't fail - only that it wouldn't be correlated with failure of your main FTTP connection. (e.g. a fibre cut in your local vicinity isn't going to affect the satellite).

In reply to a post by Taras:

The only downer is if we have a power cut (queue 3 on the 1/1/25 LOL)

Easy: solar PV with battery, and an emergency output from the inverter powering the router