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Standard User DFScale
(experienced) Fri 03-Jul-26 17:15:38
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Re: Zzoomm Static IP query


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What implied contract, please?


Like I said, the implied Internet Services contract for IPv4, to provide connectivity to all public IPv4 addresses.

You ain't going to get a link from me, because it is an implied contract term and is not explicit. Think of it like this:- suppose the ISP gave you an IP address and a working link with TCP/IP, but it didn't route anywhere. Would you think that they were fulfilling the contract?
Standard User behuk
(member) Fri 03-Jul-26 22:07:34
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Re: Zzoomm Static IP query


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Like I said, the implied Internet Services contract for IPv4, to provide connectivity to all public IPv4 addresses.


Is the implied contract IPv4-only, or does it apply to IPv6 addresses too?
Standard User DFScale
(experienced) Sat 04-Jul-26 00:46:51
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Is the implied contract IPv4-only, or does it apply to IPv6 addresses too?


I will leave that as an exercise for you. Do google and read up the law on implied contracts.


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Standard User PCJM40
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 04-Jul-26 10:48:58
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Re: Zzoomm Static IP query


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In reply to a post by behuk:
Is the implied contract IPv4-only, or does it apply to IPv6 addresses too?
I will leave that as an exercise for you. Do google and read up the law on implied contracts.
Fair, genuine question from behuk, shame a poor "look it up yourself" was the response, could have understood if some others including me had asked it.
Standard User XGS_Is_On
(experienced) Sun 05-Jul-26 18:52:04
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On each router, try adding a static route to the other party's IP address via the gateway

e.g. say:
you are 84.18.228.42 with gateway 84.18.228.1
they are 84.18.228.123 with gateway 84.18.228.1

On your router, add a route to 84.18.228.123/32 via 84.18.228.1
On their router, add a route to 84.18.228.42/32 via 84.18.228.1


That won't work. What may work is a static ARP entry for the address pointing to the gateway. If that's done on both sides the gateway BNG will hopefully just forward the data along and the static ARP will overrule whatever the source address is if the BNG doesn't rewrite it.

Obviously whether the routers they are using allow them to add static ARP entries is a different matter entirely!
Standard User DFScale
(experienced) Sun 05-Jul-26 20:10:23
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Fair, genuine question from behuk, shame a poor "look it up yourself" was the response, could have understood if some others including me had asked it.


Implied terms is a fairly straightforward concept to understand, but difficult to actually pin down in a formal definition. As the question was actually asked, I think it is better for people to read up on the topic themselves and come to their own view. FWIW, I think that the implied Internet Services contract for IPv6, would be to provide connectivity to all public IPv6 addresses where the contract includes IPv6 and not where it doesn't. But if I had said that, I could have been criticised for being patronising or something. And, genuine or not, the question did look like a trap for exactly that.
Standard User candlerb
(knowledge is power) Mon 06-Jul-26 09:18:51
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That won't work.

It *should* work. A standards-compliant router does longest-prefix match: if it has a static route to 84.18.228.42/32 and a connected route to 84.18.228.0/22, the former will be followed when the destination address of a datagram is .42

It will then see the next-hop of .1, which it can resolve via the connected route.
In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:
What may work is a static ARP entry for the address pointing to the gateway.

That should work as well. Although really the BNG should be doing proxy-ARP in this scenario, to enable the client-to-client communication on the same subnet.
Standard User PCJM40
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 06-Jul-26 14:35:24
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the question did look like a trap
Not good when you start believing every question could be a trap.
Standard User DFScale
(experienced) Mon 06-Jul-26 17:27:27
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I suspected one question. Just one. I didn't believe, I suspected. Now make of that what you probably will.
Standard User PCJM40
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 06-Jul-26 17:40:04
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I suspected one question. Just one. I didn't believe, I suspected. Now make of that what you probably will.
Surely to god part of anyone's calculation is the type of person asking the question, I have to say behuk has got to be at the other end of the scale when suspecting a loaded question. This shows very poor judgement, hopefully it will be a lesson to you.
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