In reply to a post by jason_a69:

when BT's Fibre optic enabled service (WBC) is enabled in your area,

A peculiar statement! WBC is not Fibre optic; it is BT's implementation of ADSL2+. Fibre optic is FTTC, sold by BT as BT Infinity. Must have been written by a non-technical marketeer

However, the upshot of it must be that Orange will only migrate users from LLU when they have at least an equivalent technology to offer. The only downside will be that we will hindered by BT's laggy IP Profile DLM scheme,

The presentation press pack is on this page (in the zipped PDF download at the top): http://everythingeverywhere.com/2010/09/28/everythin...

You need to find the Home Broadband page (around page 54 on the PDF and called Home: turnaround strategy). I find it interesting they don't appear to report publicly for the next two quarters (nothing good to report?). At one point there was also the oral presentation (now appears to have been removed) which had a Q&A which I recall mentioned that Orange at that time had no intention to provide FTTC services, (although they suggested their BT contract "allowed for" it). I agree with your other comment about about marketeers: the presentation makes clear they are driven by the triple play concept (mobiles/mobile and landline broadband) and repaying the parent company loans. We're with a mobile company, with a broadband sideline. (I know, how can I read such drivel: I need to get a life!! Just to try and persuade you I have some sanity left, I skimmed it - didn't take long!).

I did take the "invisible to customers" and the 24 month period to mean that they could try to co-ordinate this with the upgrading to 21CN exchanges. My local exchange has been WBC enabled (21CN) for a year but What's my Ip and line checkers still show me as on the Orange LLU service (with a a pitiful speed, which I suspect is due to the billions of errors on a decrepid local loop). We're also due for a local cab upgrade to fibre according to the BT wholesale checker, in July. So I could "wait and see".

Edited by deleted (Mon 14-Feb-11 00:44:45)

I was LLU'd 10/3/10 and am enjoying 13-15meg download speeds.

After reading these posts I thought I'd ring Orange to see if they could say what was going on. It seems that Orange will only migrate customers to IPStream if their exchange hasn't been 21CN enabled with WBC/WBMC, but apparently should automatically transfer them onto 21CN once its available at the exhange.

I suppose I'm quite lucky as my exchange has already been 21CN'd. Orange have told me my speed should go up by a meg or two once I'm moved over. They don't however have a clue as to when I will be migrated over (no suprise there!). Mind you, Orange CS reckon I'm only getting 7-8 meg download speeds so was suprised when I replied "And the rest!" I did prewarn them that if my speed did drop I will not hesitate in taking my broadband custom elsewhere.

Netty

In reply to a post by jinger:

It seems that Orange will only migrate customers to IPStream if their exchange hasn't been 21CN enabled with WBC/WBMC, but apparently should automatically transfer them onto 21CN once its available at the exhange.

As I surmised earlier as the only way for Orange to honour its contract .Even that statement is not good enough. What about if your exchange is still 20CN, but Orange has LLU there from which you get Syncs in excess of 8 Meg?

In reply to a post by jinger:

Orange have told me my speed should go up by a meg or two once I'm moved over.

How can they possibly justify this? It's still ADSL2+.

In reply to a post by jinger:

Orange CS reckon I'm only getting 7-8 meg download speeds

What does it say on Your Account on their Website?

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

I have not received such an email.

Do you Sync at over 8 Meg?

Cuz greater speeds cannot be achieved on IPStream. Only 21CN enabled exchanges with WBC/WBMC (which is not IPStream) can provide up to 24 Meg speeds.

So that beggars the Q of what they are going to do with users, like myself, who Sync at 9 to 24 Meg and have had these speeds confirmed by Orange. They cannot put us on 8 Meg IPStream without violating our contracts.

Having read this thread, i rushed and checked my Orange Email account having never used it to see if i had recieved the said email.
I hadnt ....i enjoy a sync of 19mb down and 1.3 up so if i were to be put back on the IP stream then they would be in breach of thier own T&C's.
Hopefully nothing will come of this as this is the only LLU provider at my exchange!

Any chance of an ISP post response to this?


I'm curious also as I joined Orange about 6 months back because my exchange (Toll Bar) is LLU enabled - yet I was and still am appearing to be on the IPStream product.

As for the question earlier in this topic regarding them breaching any sort of advertisement - as the OP mentioned, it does say up to, so effectively you'd still be preverbially screwed.

In reply to a post by BorgMaster:

As for the question earlier in this topic regarding them breaching any sort of advertisement - as the OP mentioned, it does say up to, so effectively you'd still be proverbially screwed.

No, then the advert would still be considered misleading if it can be shown that some lines were capable of higher Syncs, well towards 20 Megs, but not one line was put on a Sync higher than 8 Meg.

I was thinking of moving from Be to Orange. However, if I would be put back on an IPStream line, then I dont think it would be worth it, unless I can get the usual 12Mb with that too...

IPStream is 8 Meg max.

If you are on O2 LLU legacy, I'd stay on it. Orange's FUP is only 40GB and there is uncertainty whether new joiners are put on LLU.

I'll think I'll stick be Be then