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Standard User greenglide
(experienced) Mon 24-Dec-12 15:55:40
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Re: Fibre Broadband


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In reply to a post by y9rog:
in the end I chose to remain with Orange / EE to retain my email address and see how their fibre service performed.


Using an ISP hosted email system is not, generally, a good idea if it ties you into the ISP as your has.

Now you have decided not to move, at least partly due to retaining your email address, it is clearly time to do something about it.

Either use a third part mail service (gmail, yahoo etc) or get yourself a domain and sign up with a hosting service for an email package (this is the prefered option). This gives you a unlimited number of email addresses ("[email protected]") and you can shift domain to any hosting company - you are not tied in!

I did this years ago and have not used an ISP mail system for 10 years or more. You only need to do it once!

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Standard User trolleybus
(regular) Mon 24-Dec-12 17:50:48
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Re: Fibre Broadband


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In reply to a post by greenglide:
In reply to a post by y9rog:
in the end I chose to remain with Orange / EE to retain my email address and see how their fibre service performed.


Using an ISP hosted email system is not, generally, a good idea if it ties you into the ISP as your has.

Now you have decided not to move, at least partly due to retaining your email address, it is clearly time to do something about it.

Either use a third part mail service (gmail, yahoo etc) or get yourself a domain and sign up with a hosting service for an email package (this is the prefered option). This gives you a unlimited number of email addresses ("[email protected]") and you can shift domain to any hosting company - you are not tied in!

I did this years ago and have not used an ISP mail system for 10 years or more. You only need to do it once!


I can't argue against the principle of having your own domain name from which you can create your own email address that you can move freely from one ISP to another; sadly it is not a feature used by many domestic users. An experienced Internet user will say it is a breeze to setup, so what's stopping wide adoption? I would say it is nothing more than the ISPs facilities being trouble free to setup and robust in use.

There are certainly a lot of hoops to jump through to have your own email address, the most obvious being actually finding a domain name that is not in use, and suitable for you. Then you have to make the fundamental choice of using forwarding into the ISP email system or having it hosted by an agency. Neither method is the gold standard. The two major issues are "reputation" with hosted services and the other is roaming SMTP availability. If 'greenglide' has not experienced either, he has been very, very, lucky.

An added complication is that with BT you have to prove that you are entitled to use your domain name, which delays you configuring your email client. Furthermore you have to definitely discover the names of the mail servers, their port numbers and security requirements for each server. There is little, to no, published information on this issue and that which can be found generally does *NOT* apply for use with your own domain name.

If you decide to have hosted email facilities, then setting up your email client is easy because your hosting company will provide all the information needed, but by definition you will be sharing a [computer] host with a common IP address. That IP address is unlikely to have a good reputation, meaning that your outgoing emails may fail to reach an intended recipient [especially if AOL] or be shunted into their Junk Mail box.

Using an ISPs SMTP server won't have those problems but you *may* be restricted to outgoing facilities only being possible when connect to your home network. A real pain if you want to send an email when out and about with your laptop.

All the problems highlighted above are resolvable but your average user will need a knowledgeable friend to help out or a deep pocket to call the ISPs help desk. It is very true you only need to go through all this performance once with ongoing benefits and flexibility gained, but it is a giant step for many to take in the first place.

David
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 24-Dec-12 20:00:45
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if it ties you into the ISP as your has.
It doesn't, with Orange! Some ISPs, including Orange, allow you to keep your mailboxes with them, sometimes with a caveat to occasionally refresh them.

EDIT: Orange email addys are just like having your own domain in that you make up your own ones thus "giving you a unlimited number of email addresses".

This saves you the paraphernalia of signing up and paying for a domain and/or hosting service which many can't be bothered with.

There are arguments both ways.

The troubles with the GMail, Yahoo and Hotmails of this world are they can get spammy and many sites won't allow you to sign up with them, preferring a "proper" email addy.

One ISP email provider that many overlook is O2. Its email is completely independent of its BB. O2 email is available to anyone with any mobile of any network, not just O2.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC

Edited by XRaySpeX (Mon 24-Dec-12 20:04:37)


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 26-Dec-12 14:23:52
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Re: Fibre Broadband - EDITED


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You are confusing Yahoo! Mail with BT Yahoo! Mail.

EDIT: Indeed even on Yahoo! Mail you don't need Yahoo! Mail Plus. I've just POP3'ed my free plain Yahoo! Mail.

Just follow: http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?locale=en_GB&y=PROD_M...

Also needed to tick "Access Yahoo! Mail via POP" on my Options pages.

Those articles you quote are over 3 years old frown
I have two Yahoo Mail addresses (yahoo.com and yahoo.co.uk) and I cannot configure them to work with Microsoft Windows XP, Outlook Express 6. I have tried for years and no-way will it work for me, Just tried again now with your instructions and it didn�t work, so I don�t use them. I get the continuous reply from Yahoo Mail server�
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Please enter your user name and password for the following server.
Pop.mail.yahoo.com

If I go to the Yahoo website, I can login with my username and password with no problems whatsoever. https://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=yhelp&.int...

But I still do use email addresses from my three previous ISP�s and they can be accessed using dial-up or broadband with Microsoft Windows XP, Outlook Express 6. wink

Edited by deleted (Wed 26-Dec-12 16:42:46)

Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 26-Dec-12 15:57:12
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You did tick "Access Yahoo! Mail via POP" on your Options pages on Yahoo webmail?

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 26-Dec-12 16:37:13
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You did tick "Access Yahoo! Mail via POP" on your Options pages on Yahoo webmail?
Didn�t see anything about Yahoo webmail it�s called Yahoo! UK & Ireland, Yahoo! Mail. I clicked on POP & Forwarding and it takes me to Yahoo premium mail service wanting me to sign up for 12 months at $19.99. tongue

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 26-Dec-12 17:31:45
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Re: Fibre Broadband


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There is no need to split hairs here; you knew what I meant frown

I don't get that redirect to Yahoo premium mail service. So there must be some concept of legacy accounts. I joined pre- Nov 2009.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Wed 26-Dec-12 20:43:11
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I don't get that redirect to Yahoo premium mail service. So there must be some concept of legacy accounts. I joined pre- Nov 2009.

I've just created a Yahoo Mail (yahoo.co.uk) account from scratch, POP3 works fine with it.

Oliver.

Edited by Oliver341 (Wed 26-Dec-12 20:43:28)

Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 26-Dec-12 22:14:29
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I'm not clear why you replied to me on this, but just to clarify, I had already said a few posts ago that I had already successfully done that.

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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Wed 26-Dec-12 23:33:24
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I'm not clear why you replied to me on this, but just to clarify, I had already said a few posts ago that I had already successfully done that.

It was in reply to this:


In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
I don't get that redirect to Yahoo premium mail service. So there must be some concept of legacy accounts. I joined pre- Nov 2009.

I thought you were suggesting that legacy accounts don't redirect users to Yahoo Mail Plus, and non-legacy (new) accounts do.

Oliver.

Edited by Oliver341 (Wed 26-Dec-12 23:43:21)

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