ps4's failing

news in that ps4's are arriving broken on shipment or failing shortly after some use.

things arent going well for sony at the moment.

these console manufacturers chasing pixel count have lost perspective as if they think thats all that matters.

Was that the Fantasy Island News Channel .

confirmation bias.

I was awaiting your reply. and you failed pretty badly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTHIHbPcWfA
http://pixelenemy.com/reports-of-playstation-4s-not-...

let me know if you want more.

Must of made your day Hey ?

I shall spend a few seconds later checking out news of PC that have melted and exploded�

In reply to a post by time2die:

Must of made your day Hey ?

I shall spend a few seconds later checking out news of PC that have melted and exploded�

dont know, its just news to me.

if you think I am celebrating or something no not really. Why would I be happy about devices failing and people getting broken products?

Also why would i care other people's pc's have melted?

I dont treat a electronic device as my blood and get offended if someone has a problem with it.

Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 14-Nov-13 08:21:06)

If you watch the video from about 6.30 minutes they are also in defence of the problems that a few are experiencing,like they said there may be 100,000 Playstation 4 out there all working correctly and 5 that don't and its the 5 that don't what you hear about.

Thats the world we live in and 20 years ago when there was no internet nobody would have heard a thing in the days of the Nintendo Snes.

if i get mine and its got problems i will be well [censored] of and i expect other to be feel the same,they also talk about the day 1 update that these people that are experiencing problems have more than likely not even downloaded.

Edited by time2die (Thu 14-Nov-13 08:29:37)

You want something thats really interesting��Again only if what this guy says its actually the truth and not just malicious rumours.

Playstation 4 and Xbox one issues

here is a video someone made.

http://www.twitch.tv/arogon1416/b/479362069

yes we dont know the numbers, it could be 5 in 100k, it could be 5 in 50.

ign also had a failed unit.

I happen to think xbox1 will have issues as well. as microsoft have been upping the clocks on that thing trying to catch up with the ps4, that to me spells trouble, but will see.

Shame on you. First you tell Timey that killshot might not be any good now you tell him the PS4 might not work
Are you trying to give him a nervous breakdown ?

Next you'll be showing him proof that 9/11 was an inside job


Oops I meant killzone

Edited by deleted (Thu 14-Nov-13 09:34:50)

In reply to a post by Lt_Swan:

Shame on you. First you tell Timey that killshot might not be any good now you tell him the PS4 might not work
Are you trying to give him a nervous breakdown ?

Next you'll be showing him proof that 9/11 was an inside job


Oops I meant killzone

The XBox 360 had the same problem to start with - they are just rushing everything

Best to wait a couple of months and let them iron out the bugs

yes is one reason I am waiting.

Polygon like the once great magazine Edge lost a hell of a lot of credibility,i have no problems with review scores been low on games i have been looking forward to, but when you get certain games that are as good as perfection you are likely to get like The Last Of Us.

Hundreads and hundreds of perfect scores and some just under yet this Polygon site gives it a 7 and then scores another game everybody else has trashed [can not think of the name] a outstanding score.

There is never ever going to be perfection but like mrnelster said The last of us was as close to perfection as you were going to get.

Obviously when you are really looking forward to next generation consoles and a game such as killzone you want to see rave reviews and not really low scores�..I will judge by myself when i actually play it and will be intrigued to what the American gamers have to say early tomorrow morning through social media channels such as youtube and stuff.

Ign.com gave Killzone Shadowfall a 8 and even that surprised me,they did say multiplayer is where its at and thats the main reason I'm buying it even though i will play through the single player part of the game first.

There is even a video of a Dualshock 4 controller R1 button sticking and not working after just 8 hours play.

Dualshock controller problems

You keep searching and typing and you will find plenty of articles and like you say i guess there will be issues with the Xbox One in some form or another.

Dont worry - I'll give them around 10 years to get it fixed...

I used to buy gaming magazines many years ago but gave up when I realised they seemed to give good reviews to certain company's. I'm sure a few nice little bonuses have passed under desks to aid in the review score rising a little.
As for GTA V or any game I enjoy I couldn't give a monkeys what any reviewer says as it's just their opinion.
Take Killzone Shadowfall for example, it doesn't matter how good the reviews are as I already know it's not the type of game I enjoy playing so therefore it's irrelevant to me. People can tell me how happy they are with it and what an amazing game it is and I'm very happy for them but I still don't want it. I loved playing BF3 but I don't like BF4, in fact I'd rather they remade BF2 as that was best of all. IMO
Of course the PS4 will be better than the PS3 but at this time I'm happy with the PS3 and have no reason to upgrade. In a few months when all the hype has died down I'll see if there are any games worth upgrading for.

The same goes for any magazines reviews on any product, I only take them as an indication as to what maybe true. When searching for reviews on products online I mainly ignore the 10/10 reviews and look for the negative ones as they usually give a better picture.

As far as I'm concerned mainstream media has always been BS

Some valid points Swanny and its nice to see you have moved away from your 1 line replies in the past

So after saying that i expect just a smilie in your next post.

I have been deliberating the last couple of days cancelling my order, its a puzzle to me why Sony wants to beat Microsoft in wrecking their console credentials.

In reference to www.dualshockers.com/2013/11/14/ps4-reported-failure-rate-is-under-...:

...the reported failure ratio is 0.175%, which is minimal.

As a term of comparison, in 2008 the Xbox 360 was reported to have a 16% failure ratio, while the PS3 and the Wii had a 3% failure ratio.

According to Consumer Reports data the average failure ratio of consumer electronic sits at around 15%.

I appreciate its minimal however add the non streaming currently, it appears to me, Sony are trying desperately to beat Microsoft in ending their association with consoles.

what do you mean by 'non streaming' ?

I thought DNLA had been confirmed as an update along with MP3 support? Granted it would have been better straight out of the box, but then the console won't do anything straight out of the box other than play disc based games, until the day one patch is installed.

I suspect that helped speed up production time in the face of such a huge number of pre orders. I could live with just the games for longer to be honest, that's primarily why I want the PS4 over the new Xbox. I don't really intend to stream or play mp3 on it, though I might dabble when it is eventually implemented.

Edit: Some related into here.

Edited by mrnelster (Thu 14-Nov-13 21:14:34)

In reply to a post by astateoftrance:

what do you mean by 'non streaming' ?

I think he is referring to DLNA as per my reply. Explanation here mate.

Ahh right, I remember reading about that now. It is surprising a basic thing like that is not available right away but as it looks like it will be added in a update it's not really a issue. Like you said PS4 is primarily a gaming machine so even if DLNA was not available it's hardly a deal breaker.

Edited by astateoftrance (Thu 14-Nov-13 21:46:04)

...PS4 is primarily a gaming machine so even if DLNA was not available it's hardly a deal breaker.

That's my attitude too, athough I have to admit the only reason I don't stream stuff is because I can't be arsed flaffing around with different devices. A bit lazy perhaps, but I like to spend the limited time I get to myself, actually gaming.

My love of tech stuff is firmly rooted in the driver's seat, not the settings menu.

I have used my PS3 for a fair bit of local streaming over the years but now I am just using streaming services like Netflix and NOW TV.

Well even though sony saying not major

its worrying they would even give fail units to IGN and Kotako

i see its an HDMI related issue?

You really think they gave Kotako and Ign faulty units on purpose,if anything those units would have been tested to death....still think its firmware related because most of the problems if not all seem to be occurring after the firmware update.

Just hope they get it right for the European launch in 2 weeks....seems the Yanks are our beta testers at present .

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

In reference to www.dualshockers.com/2013/11/14/ps4-reported-failure-rate-is-under-...:

...the reported failure ratio is 0.175%, which is minimal.

As a term of comparison, in 2008 the Xbox 360 was reported to have a 16% failure ratio, while the PS3 and the Wii had a 3% failure ratio.

According to Consumer Reports data the average failure ratio of consumer electronic sits at around 15%.

Bump (before the hysterics start again).

In reply to a post by epyon:

Well even though sony saying not major

its worrying they would even give fail units to IGN and Kotako

i see its an HDMI related issue?

yeah it appears is somehow hdmi related rather than a chip overheating. I havent checked yet for updates as I believe americans can buy it today?

--edit-- I checked and the news isnt good currently.

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-4-Launch-Edition/p...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adWxrqBK5j4

Seems people getting that red line of death also now as well.

Although there is evidence still suggesting its firmware related at least in some cases.

Edited by Chrysalis (Sat 16-Nov-13 06:12:24)

I think we will have to wait a while before we see the scale of the problems, there are lots of people reporting issues on Amazon.com but there are more giving 5 star reviews. Don't forget also if your PS4 is fine you are much more likely to be busy playing it than taking the time to write a review. Another thing is are the reviews even by verified owners?

So my point is... yes there are obviously a number of issues with PS4 but we don't know the scale yet so there's no need to panic. It is hopefully just a small percentage of units that are affected.

Edited by astateoftrance (Sat 16-Nov-13 10:31:29)

this one works fine and nice tricks with camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1vi7y7WxU

Angry joe��..Love his show ,especially his Xbox One original reveal and funny rant .

Any new product will have some issues,and Apple iPhones have certainly had there share of launch problems in the past and many other electrical problems.

Its not something we want to hear about or no are happening but it does and we will get the same next week with the launch of Xbox One ,some may be legit and some will even be saying there is a problem when they don't even own one.

Sony supported will bash Xbox One and Xbox One owners will bash Playstation 4��.It happens,you only have to look at some of the things people do regarding user game reviews on Metacritic to know that its a flawed system.

I just watched a video of a bricked playstation 4 and when he held the power button for several seconds to do a reset he got a electrical shock...

It's not great publicity/ PR for Sony and May be just may be a 2 week delay in Europe in getting the console will be of benefit .

Hopefully it's more related to firmware issues and the update than Hardware failure,because if it's the later this is going to have a dramatic effect on Sony and the Playstation 4 and not something they going to be able to fix .

Worse case senario if these problems become even more wide spread and prolific would be a total recall of the product which would be a disaster ,let's not forget the signal problems with the iPhone 4 and the hassle this caused Apple.

Let's just hope that a fork lift truck or courier transport or some other problem caused a batch to be dropped or misused and it does not become a major issue...


I have to say I'm slightly concerned given the fact I have invested in one which by all accounts when the payment will be charged and processed next week in preparation for the week after.

Would Sony recall this product and cancel a European launch if these internet related issues continue.....what do you think ?


Check these issues out

Edited by time2die (Sat 16-Nov-13 11:24:30)

apparently most of the failed units have the same manufacturing location.

and yes angry joe is great, I also watched his ps4 unboxing video which was good.

You should watch his Xbox One Rage video��..That was Hilarious

That was when Microsoft first announced the DRM stuff��

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

this one works fine and nice tricks with camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1vi7y7WxU

Lot of talk about DRM in the comments below that vid

In reply to a post by time2die:

Would Sony recall this product and cancel a European launch if these internet related issues continue.....what do you think ?

Check these issues out

That would be a disaster for Sony. We can only hope it is a relatively small number of units which are affected and not a larger problem with them.

I enjoyed that. Angry Joe is an amusing fellow. Love the fact it picked out the other dude instead of him as owner. That was hilarious.

Yeah, like Timey says, his other vid on the XBO and DRM was classic.

Looking at the vids it's somewhat shocking to see so many different types of problem reported that appear to be hardware based issues (even if just overheating is the cause). I wonder if it is someone up with AMD's new APU? I mean, judging by their new PC graphics card's R9 chip running at 95°C which is meant to be in the normal operating temperature zone, I wonder if there's an issue out there to do with heat?

Not really looking good so far no matter how you look at it but numbers would be good for sure. And surely with all the different status light colours - pulsing amber/blue and red, they must mean something to Sony at least? I'm gonna try googling it. Maybe even Wiki will know eh?

EDIT:

Guess it's also a case of user's being typical stupid consumers in some cases. For instance, and as you'd expect on reflection, the 'amber light' is standby mode.

Indeed, the red light is meant to reflect overheating issues which is somewhat concerning but addressable at least at Sony's end.

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps4/basic...

I guess there's no fast cure for stupidity? Some of them (with marginal problems) could just turn their central heating down/air conditioning up? Though to be fair, in all cases there looked to be plenty of air around the console though no doubt they'd be better off buying the stand and having it placed in the upright position maybe?

Edited by deleted (Sun 17-Nov-13 08:30:12)

I guess there's no fast cure for stupidity? Some of them (with marginal problems) could just turn their central heating down/air conditioning up? Though to be fair, in all cases there looked to be plenty of air around the console though no doubt they'd be better off buying the stand and having it placed in the upright position maybe?

Your alright here then Spooky �.Arni type Mr Freeze

I like the bit when it says flashing red�.System over heating ?�.Answer�.Turn of system and wait until later to use it .

Should have said �ring this number the products faulty and we will get it replaced .

Just had another look at Amazon US today and the 5 star reviews are almost double the number of 1 star, so if we take into consideration people who are happy with the PS4 are less likely to bother writing a review compared to ones who have a faulty console then the picture is looking a bit better. Not very scientific I know be good when we get some solid numbers.

With the temperatures the PS4 is meant to operate between 5 and 35 C...

Does anyone know yet what the blue flashing light error is?

I read that Kotaku had a unit that would not output video and found that there was simply a piece of metal in the HDMI port that needed to be bent back into the correct position to allow the cable to be inserted.

http://lvlzero.com/2013/11/17/ps4-blod-analysis/

Sony claimed they had 1 million pre orders back in August before they closed launch availability. If you read about 4,000 DOA's that is still only 0.4% which Sony have openly admitted. I dare say MS are keeping quiet because they don't want to stir up a shitstorm for themselves. In my limited experience, most electronic hardware failures are fairly immediate. It's expected. The RROD was a design flaw and to a lesser extent, so was Sony's YLOD. They aren't really comparable to expected manufacturing defects. If all of the reported cases were identical then I would be worrying, but as of yet I'm not at all concerned.

And that's not sticking up for anybody. I've got the right hump with Sony over my Pulse headset, but slack jawed yocals calling out Sony's QA process or blaming it on the Chinese is too funny for words.

"Brandene! Brings me my soldering pants!"

One thing i did notice though after watching quite a few Playstation 4 unboxing videos is the way they are packaged inside,just 2 bits of cardboard holding the playstation 4 in place and lose packaging around both the unit itself and the playstation 4 dual shock controller.

That actually seems as if its been dropped in a open ended freezer bag and not even sealed ? .

There is plenty of room for movement of this console if you ask me and Sony Packaging department or whoever thought this was a good idea needs to go back to using the usual quality packing with the hard foam type we see in previous versions of the console.

In reply to a post by time2die:

http://lvlzero.com/2013/11/17/ps4-blod-analysis/

What an excellent link mate. I've bookmarked the site and will be reading a lot more, after such a balanced, constructive article and perfect synopsis, should you read right to the end of the second page that is (I'm looking at you MaGoo ).

Very good article just read through the first page. So it seems most of the errors are likely either because of bent pins in the HDMI port, corrupt/faulty HDD and firmware issues.

Yeah, that was one of the best article I've yet seen on this kind of hardware issue. Now, it looks like there may indeed be limited problems with the HMDI ports and this is a pretty easy issue to resolve in itself for Sony with a simple change of supplier I guess.

An interesting point about the PS4 and XBO using very computer-like OS's now and I for one am going to welcome you console boys to the world of BSODs. Haha. You'll have fun trust me!

I actually read the hole lot mate because if like you and me investing in this console it makes sense to do so with what's been going around the internet concerning the problems.

Sony announced today that one million PlayStation 4s have already been sold in North America. The news was confirmed via Twitter by Sony Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida, who wrote �PS4 has sold through over 1 million units within 24 hours of the launch in North America!�

Link

That is impressive

Yep indeed it is,but America is a huge place....be interesting to see the European first 24 hr sales...


Question ?

Is it just me and Nellie buying a Playstation 4 on these gaming forums or what ?

Edited by time2die (Sun 17-Nov-13 15:41:53)

True true. Playstation is more dominant in Europe though so be interesting to see if it exceeds that number within 24 hours.

Yeah I think it is just you 2 getting PS4 at launch.

Shame we could have had a Mob instead of a Duo in Killzone Shadowfall of these forums...I'm hoping me and Nellie can tempt a few others to go out and get one ....

If that's the case you are going to have to check out our thoughts and opinions in a few weeks...and I speak my mind...if I don't like a game or the operation of the console or any other minor issue then rest assured your going to get the true opinion of what I think regardless of what I have posted about my excitement in the next generation ....

I see quite a few Americans downloaded the firmware update to USB stick from various mirror sites instead of going straight for a console install....I wonder why ?

More than likely the connection woes and strain on the Sony servers......this I never understand ? And it happens time and time again be it a new console,game ,phone ,gadget ,whatever....You know you got at a popular gadget then make the necessary arrangements and make the proper provisions on the server side.....Jezz

Isn't it strange way of organizing things,Europe is the strongest region for Playstation so they release the console in territory's that are not as strong first....sort of makes sense unless you live in Europe which by all accounts has supported Sony more than most..

So what you read in to that is this...if the Playstation was not the dominant force it is in the UK and Europe but it was in America ....we would have had it First .....

Saying that ,don't those Yanky Doodle Dandys get most of the stuff first....

You are right and poor old Japan have to wait until February, that's what they get for being the safest territory...no danger of XBOX being dominant there.

In reply to a post by time2die:

Shame we could have had a Mob instead of a Duo in Killzone Shadowfall of these forums...I'm hoping me and Nellie can tempt a few others to go out and get one ....

Yeah that would be fun, hopefully some day we can all play a game online together.

I think certification issues are a real problem. The USA is one territory in that respect. The European total may be more in the whole, but unless you release seperately in all of the different countries, I expect there to be a shed load of bureaucracy to trawl through for a Europe wide release.

One of the major purposes of the EU is harmonisation of standards, so there's much less testing required for sale across Europe than you might think.

I had a little wobble in the week, now I'm sure I will not be cancelling, more so after yesterday, when I logged into Amazon to change my card, only to find all my history gone pre order etc. Arhhhhh.

Anyway after contacting CS, they pointed out I had somehow logged into USA Amazon. yep, stupidity is all the rage with consoles, more so me on Saturday Mornings!

so reviewtechusa finally made a video and also some more updates from others.

the consensus seems to be at the moment xbox fanboys are posting fake reviews/posts and that the failure rate is lower than is made out, especially as over a million units have been sold.

in my firefox the page wont scroll.

in IE it scrolls, but is blank below the scroll point so incomplete, weird site.

trying it now in a VM on a default insecured chrome, as the siste I guess is doing something questionable security wise.

now read the article, it is informative, good article.

Edited by Chrysalis (Mon 18-Nov-13 12:50:25)

Glad you like it which makes a change as most of what i post seems to get your back up

I say it as i see it regardless of what console it is and what i own,and if for some reason I'm not happy with certain aspects of the Playstation 4 then i will post about it.

Im sure come Friday we will get reports about Xbox one doing this and not doing that,some will be from the other camp like Sony fanboys as you call them,personally I'm neither as i have always supported all the consoles in the past as they all have there strengths and weaknesses .

But for now I'm sticking with one solitary console,that may or may not change next year if a exclusive game comes on a system i want then i will take the plunge.

Many years ago i was a avid Nintendo supporter because there first party games were incredible,but the company has completely lost its focus and does not really cater in my opinion to the adult gamer,there motion controlled Nintendo wii was a something that does not appeal to me even though i bought one.

Within a month or so that console was packed away and traded,same with the Nintendo Wii U totally unsupported ,hardly any games and developers eloping in there droves to main platforms.

Would not surprise me if Nintendo was already looking at another console to compete with the Playstation 4 and Xbox One because WII U sales are appalling .

In fact Sony have actually beaten the Nintendo Wii U sales in 24 hours and the Nintendo Wii U has been out a year,i may be slightly wrong with that comment but its not far of if i remember reading a article correctly.

Edited by time2die (Mon 18-Nov-13 13:31:06)

is about 3.5million wii-us sold in about a year.

about a million ps4's pre order and launch week.

I was considering a wii-u until I see 2 year old games been sold for £70 and the console for £230 only comes with 32gig storage, nintendo seem to have lost its grip on the market.

My thoughts exactly ?

Saying that i have a love affair of anything Zelda Related and the Nintendo Wii U should have shipped with a Brand new Zelda.Mario Game or Metroid.

So because they have a new Zelda out on the DSL this friday I've actually revisited my store and bought the Zelda special edition Nintendo 3DS XL.

Its no secret I'm not a lover of the hand held market even though i have just bought another one of these units again after trading a couple in the past and i also own a vita.

Yet for mobile games i tend to use my iPad because in the DS case i find the screens just to dam small,the upgraded systems apparently are better with a 90% increase in screen size.

But the truth of the matter is i have bought this unit to play 1 game the new Zelda that has some outstanding reviews.

For me to even consider a Nintendo Wii U Then it would have to be a new Zelda game or Retro developers return with a mind blowing metroid because Metroid prime on the Gamecube was one of my top 10 games of all time.

And yes the Hard drive space or lack of it leaves a lot to be desired and i agree totally,they have certainly lost there focus and seem to be hell bent on the kiddie market and short term entertainment fixes because there games are certainly not appealing to the hardcore like me.

Think they have sort of got caught up with there success of the Nintendo Wii and thought lets make a similar system and its not worked,they have bought out a console with about as much power as what we are about to leave behind.

Edited by time2die (Mon 18-Nov-13 16:11:17)

Back on topic...

Sony have given an advisory on the possible causes of the PS4 errors and meaning behind the blue light of death as reported here.

Seems there are several more avenues to troubleshoot potential problems:

Power lead (weird one that)
TV (even stranger)
Loose hard drive (kind of weird but not completely odd)


Well, anyway. The BLOD event means the PS4 is either having difficulty detecting a compatible TV or there's possibly something up with the internal hard drive. At least they're on to helping fix the issues though I really can't understand the TV incompatibility issue. If it's a really old LCD then it might not have HDCP compatibility which is a necessity but surely that would be true for the PS3 too so why it's emerging as an issue is anyone's guess but there's more about the issue in Sony's new troubleshooting guide.

Well, let's hope Timey doesn't have any trouble eh?

Yeah else the mucks going to hit the Fan

I have bookmarked all the links to fixes just in case

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Back on topic...

Sony have given an advisory on the possible causes of the PS4 errors and meaning behind the blue light of death as reported here.

Seems there are several more avenues to troubleshoot potential problems:

Power lead (weird one that)
TV (even stranger)
Loose hard drive (kind of weird but not completely odd)


Well, anyway. The BLOD event means the PS4 is either having difficulty detecting a compatible TV or there's possibly something up with the internal hard drive. At least they're on to helping fix the issues though I really can't understand the TV incompatibility issue. If it's a really old LCD then it might not have HDCP compatibility which is a necessity but surely that would be true for the PS3 too so why it's emerging as an issue is anyone's guess but there's more about the issue in Sony's new troubleshooting guide.

Well, let's hope Timey doesn't have any trouble eh?

Old news....you just got up after 3 days in bed or something

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

so reviewtechusa finally made a video and also some more updates from others.

the consensus seems to be at the moment xbox fanboys are posting fake reviews/posts and that the failure rate is lower than is made out, especially as over a million units have been sold.

Sort of backs up your thoughts and opinions ...

Xbox Trolls

I'm sure Xbox One will get the same from the Playstation fan base

Well, if it's old news then why did Trusted Reviews only post it today? Were they in bed all weekend too or what? No. They had a weekend off.

Yeah, I see the Sony thread is actually a few days old but no one appears to have posted a link so maybe it'll come in handy for some eh?

Feckin' cheeky fecker. I've been posting all weekend mate so put your feckin' reading glasses on you blind old daft git.

Yeah, we've all seen that already. Sigh. The whole world knows about the Amazon.com posts down rating PS4 gear where there's no evidence to say they've even bought it. It's a sad world we live in when people do that kind of thing on a site like Amazon really. American Xbox fanboys I suppose. They're patriots of course. No JapCr@p for them.

Well, I'm a little narked at Microsoft again as they've just said there's to be no inclusion of the TV media stuff for the UK like fancy remote control stuff via Kinect so it feels like the rest of the world are subsidising American audiences yet again. So FU Microsoft and I'm not even getting a console so why am I so annoyed? I guess it's just their whole the USA is the only place attitude. There's a hazy outline that these features will or should be provided to UK users sometime next year, like maybe at the end of 2014. Well, [censored] that. What's the point?

Another reason why they aint getting my money,not that I'm that interested in a Media heavy Console disguised as a Gaming device.

Don't forget the Toothless bit at the end Might as well go for a Full House mate

You [censored] Joey Essex Fanboys are all the same