No update on Nellys New Toy

Obviously not that exciting then or he's spent the last 4 days trying to update the drivers or get it up and running......

You Decide ?

Or the Mrs kicked him out when it turned up

In reply to a post by time2die:

Obviously not that exciting then or he's spent the last 4 days trying to update the drivers or get it up and running......

Sorry. I have actually spent a couple of hours every night sorting stuff out from my old pc!

The games I've thrown at it so far average 80-90 frames per second on Ultra. The only issue I had at the beginning was some screen tearing here and there, as I'm using a TV, not a monitor.

I've now set the refresh rate at 59Hz and turned V-sync on and it runs at exactly
60 fps continually. That's at Custom Ultra with absolutely everything on and maxed. Thanks to Kila for that tip. ;o)

For the racing games I play, the R9 380 is running them buttery smooth with cracking visuals. No driver issues, no micro stutter, no tearing unless you let the frame rate run free (pointless on a TV). It is extremely quiet considering it is in such a tiny case. It runs really cool too, not going above 63°C in the heat yesterday which I was quite frankly amazed at. I am quite confident that this card will run virtually anything at 1080p in Ultra and still manage close to 60fps. I was expecting a reference type card, but it actually arrived with a Sapphire Nitro 380 4GB with twin cooling fans. Very pleased with that.

So contrary to recent claims on the forum, this "re-branded" AMD graphics card is not suffering from disastrous drivers, extreme temperatures, hair dryer fan volumes and is absolutely, categorically, une-f***ing-quivocally NOT running like a dog.

Thank god I stuck to the old fashioned method of researching things for myself.

Technically, she couldn't be described as overly enthused.

some good magic dust then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMH3Pdd3KrY

how is the 4k project cars gameplay working out?

Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 03-Jul-15 00:13:30)

I don't own Project Cars yet. And we moved on from 4k ages ago. I can't fit anything bigger into the case because of power supply restrictions, remember?

You dish out such fanboy criticism of another manufacturer, then when Kila has repeated crashing issues on his new card, you admit to suffering the same issue. And his cure was nothing to do with your advice either. The truth is they are as good and bad as each other from title to title.

The fact is that you have consistently overstated "problems" with my choice of card, yet it has not crashed/struggled at all. If you want to call me a liar, please do it openly.

These guys think you're wrong too.

You're welcome for the tip but can you please leave my poor recovering 970 out of this

That 380 looks great value for money and I doubt you can get better for the money tbh whether you're team red or green!!

Not taking sides here either but let's not forget that nelly was trying to do this build on a sensible budget, yeah given he's not gonna hit 4k with his card but neither am I with my 970 which cost £70-80 more!!

Well thats what happens when you two decide to use Pound Land for Gaming Machines

You pays your money you get your goods ?

Only get as Good as you pay For ?

On a serious note,I'm having more fun on a old Xbox 360 than any of the recent new Consoles .........Gears 3 Rocks.

I actually went to discount uk I'll have you know

Good lad

Don't forget to install Team Speak [Is that still actually going] so you can get a Ear Bashing of Nelly

of course, just reminding him its not a good idea to slam those who are only trying to help.

For reference if I max out project cars (including SMAA which isnt cheap) I do get frame rate averages below 60 at 1050p in some races. It happens, isnt the end of the world. But not much has to be turned down to fix it, I drop SMAA one level and shadows one level and is fine.

Shame we had these spats as we could probably have good discussion over project cars as like nelly I love the game, probably the best driving game I have played within past 10 years.

Does it beat Crazy Taxi On the Sega Dreamcast........ I doubt it .

In reply to a post by time2die:

You pays your money you get your goods ?

Only get as Good as you pay For ?

Precisely, but there is a law of diminishing returns.

As soon as I can afford a three screen racing rig I will upgrade, but then I will not be constrained by case size and can have any card I want to run it.

But believe me, the "running like a dog" type statements are utter nonsense. You might have 600 quid to spend on a graphics card, but it doesn't give you much more other than frame rate. Like me, you're used to running at 30fps on console. The R9 380 (or a GTX 960 if you prefer NVIDIA) gives the consoles a good old fashioned kicking. At 30fps it annihilates them completely.

Not being the latest and greatest, doesn't make them bad cards. Advising people that AMD are bad cards is dishonest fanboi. You're fine because you're all 4k 'ed up, but anybody intending to use it on a 1080p TV (I suspect the majority of those connecting to a TV) would be wasting their money on frame rates that wIll actually damage the experience, rather than enhance it.

Where Kila's card will really whoop the 380 is on a 1440p monitor.

Shall i send both of These bad boys back then

Didn't know you had a Older PC,what you been doing with that then ?

Please don't say it runs faster than the one you just bought and you trying to work out Why?

Shame we had these spats as we could probably have good discussion over project cars

In which case you should perhaps try not to display such an autocratic demeanor, whilst trying to coax other people into believing that it is in fact my opinions that are arbitary.

In reply to a post by time2die:

Shall i send both of These bad boys back then

Lol! Not at all mate. The only worry is that you won't need anything like 12 GB of VRAM currently and by the time you do, will they still be top end? This is the problem right now. With everything heading down the DX12 route, we should be seeing better results for less. Who knows what next years incarnations of the HBM memory design might bring in terms of performance in a smaller form factor? Nvidia will be launching their take on it in 2016, so you might do better to wait for those.

Those bad boys wouldn't be best placed in a micro ITX case anyway lol! I still love the Trinity (X wing) style case, but the missus was having quite literally none of it. Oh well, perhaps when I get my man cave!

In reply to a post by time2die:

Didn't know you had a Older PC,what you been doing with that then ?

Please don't say it runs faster than the one you just bought and you trying to work out Why?

No mate lol! It's just a carppy old Dell desktop I used for invoicing etc, but painfully slow.

My laptop was much better with an i5 in it, but gamings not something either of them have ever been exposed to.

£2000 on twin cards......Where does the expense end ?

Have you seen the top end Gaming PC from Scan,think its around £15,000 Big Ones ..........Now thats what i call a dedicated Gamer who is hell bent on getting the absolute maximum from that sort of crazy investment.

Personally myself,i think around £3.000 would be maximum if not less ?

£1,500 to £2,000 is about the maximum, beyond that the £/return on performance drops off massively, will also get peripherals and monitors out of that build.

With graphics cards its all about the monitor size and resolution you play at, as 1080p you do not need to spend over £300.

What is your pc spec?

fractal r4 define case
coolermaster 600w modular psu
samsung 850 pro 512gig ssd + about 10tb of hdd space across 5 hdd's.
evga 970 ftw gpu with vram clocked at +455mhz and the boost goes up to 1420mhz
asus xonar d2x soundcard
intel 4670k haswell cpu with turbo overclocked to 4.3ghz
16 gig of corsair CL9 1600mhz ram not overclocked
2 intake case fans at front which also cool down storage
1 exhaust fan at back
asus z87-plus motherboard
pioneer dvr-216d optical dvd drive (I flashed to region free)

project cars still drops below 60fps when its raining, I will probably drop reflection quality as according to this guide it has a big impact in rain.

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?2237...

also this thread

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?2361...

I had a great race where it started raining mid race and it turned into chaos

this game is amazing.

Edited by Chrysalis (Sat 04-Jul-15 23:14:19)

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

fractal r4 define case
coolermaster 600w modular psu
samsung 850 pro 512gig ssd + about 10tb of hdd space across 5 hdd's.
evga 970 ftw gpu with vram clocked at +455mhz and the boost goes up to 1420mhz
asus xonar d2x soundcard
intel 4670k haswell cpu with turbo overclocked to 4.3ghz
16 gig of corsair CL9 1600mhz ram not overclocked
2 intake case fans at front which also cool down storage
1 exhaust fan at back
asus z87-plus motherboard
pioneer dvr-216d optical dvd drive (I flashed to region free)

And a Partridge in a Pear Tree,and a Partridge in a pear treeeeeeeeeee

In reply to a post by jorkila:

Not taking sides here either but let's not forget that nelly was trying to do this build on a sensible budget, yeah given he's not gonna hit 4k with his card but neither am I with my 970 which cost £70-80 more!!

Out of interest, I've been fiddling with Virtual Super Resolution and it looks amazing at 4k on the ultra preset.

Unfortunately, although it reaches as high as 45 FPS, at times it drops down to very low twenties which makes it too choppy really. At custom ultra with everything on full, it averages only 23 with drops to 17 which gets really stuttery at times and is no good on the eyes at all!

It does manage 35 consistently at 1440p at ultra which looks really, really nice too, but after running all week at 1080/60, it feels slightly sluggish. Going to try 4k with medium to high settings tonight and see if I can get a locked frame rate.

VSR does cause a slight lag with the wheel input apparently, but I can't say it's noticeable in Dirt Rally, particularly as the steering is so exaggerated whilst sliding about. It might be more noticeable in Project Cars for example, but overall a good little feature for us TV gamers.

Nice!
That boost going to 1420 isn't your gpu memory is it?

The Nelster pointed me toward DSR last night, you played around with that?

Yeah like I said last night, with the higher resolutions you should be able to turn down or even off some of the eye candy as the resolution should more than make up for it!!

Whist reading about Nvidia's DSR I've also discovered MFAA which apparently which gives MSAA quality but at only half the performance cost Basically says by having MFAA turned on and then selecting MSAA x2 in game you get the equivalent of MSAA x4 and so on and so on

I'll be giving it a go later!!

Which brings me to the conclusion that with MFAA enabled and a lower MSAA setting I should be able to up the resolution more without such a performance hit

Don't worry Timey you don't have all these settings to worry about on the consoles

No problem these posts are a must for anyone suffering from a severe bout of insomnia

In reply to a post by jorkila:

Nice!
That boost going to 1420 isn't your gpu memory is it?

The Nelster pointed me toward DSR last night, you played around with that?

I got more interesting things to play with

the 1420 is the gpu clock which is the boost 2.0 and is automated. But every card has different limits due to the silicon lottery. My asic quality is 71%. I havent done a manual increase to the gpu clock, just the memory clock.

I have used DSR on a couple of games to play around with it but not on project cars.

DSR is just it renders at a higher resolution and then downscales.

DSR will be both memory heavy and gpu heavy as pixel count kills performance. In my view not a good idea on project cars.

Definitely worth having a play around with on slightly older not so taxing games!

also bear in mind the 970 FTW has a factory overclock also.

and yeah DSR is best for older games, where the gpu has lots of idle time.