Good lad

Don't forget to install Team Speak [Is that still actually going] so you can get a Ear Bashing of Nelly

of course, just reminding him its not a good idea to slam those who are only trying to help.

For reference if I max out project cars (including SMAA which isnt cheap) I do get frame rate averages below 60 at 1050p in some races. It happens, isnt the end of the world. But not much has to be turned down to fix it, I drop SMAA one level and shadows one level and is fine.

Shame we had these spats as we could probably have good discussion over project cars as like nelly I love the game, probably the best driving game I have played within past 10 years.

Does it beat Crazy Taxi On the Sega Dreamcast........ I doubt it .

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You pays your money you get your goods ?

Only get as Good as you pay For ?

Precisely, but there is a law of diminishing returns.

As soon as I can afford a three screen racing rig I will upgrade, but then I will not be constrained by case size and can have any card I want to run it.

But believe me, the "running like a dog" type statements are utter nonsense. You might have 600 quid to spend on a graphics card, but it doesn't give you much more other than frame rate. Like me, you're used to running at 30fps on console. The R9 380 (or a GTX 960 if you prefer NVIDIA) gives the consoles a good old fashioned kicking. At 30fps it annihilates them completely.

Not being the latest and greatest, doesn't make them bad cards. Advising people that AMD are bad cards is dishonest fanboi. You're fine because you're all 4k 'ed up, but anybody intending to use it on a 1080p TV (I suspect the majority of those connecting to a TV) would be wasting their money on frame rates that wIll actually damage the experience, rather than enhance it.

Where Kila's card will really whoop the 380 is on a 1440p monitor.

Shall i send both of These bad boys back then

Didn't know you had a Older PC,what you been doing with that then ?

Please don't say it runs faster than the one you just bought and you trying to work out Why?

Shame we had these spats as we could probably have good discussion over project cars

In which case you should perhaps try not to display such an autocratic demeanor, whilst trying to coax other people into believing that it is in fact my opinions that are arbitary.

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Shall i send both of These bad boys back then

Lol! Not at all mate. The only worry is that you won't need anything like 12 GB of VRAM currently and by the time you do, will they still be top end? This is the problem right now. With everything heading down the DX12 route, we should be seeing better results for less. Who knows what next years incarnations of the HBM memory design might bring in terms of performance in a smaller form factor? Nvidia will be launching their take on it in 2016, so you might do better to wait for those.

Those bad boys wouldn't be best placed in a micro ITX case anyway lol! I still love the Trinity (X wing) style case, but the missus was having quite literally none of it. Oh well, perhaps when I get my man cave!

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Didn't know you had a Older PC,what you been doing with that then ?

Please don't say it runs faster than the one you just bought and you trying to work out Why?

No mate lol! It's just a carppy old Dell desktop I used for invoicing etc, but painfully slow.

My laptop was much better with an i5 in it, but gamings not something either of them have ever been exposed to.

£2000 on twin cards......Where does the expense end ?

Have you seen the top end Gaming PC from Scan,think its around £15,000 Big Ones ..........Now thats what i call a dedicated Gamer who is hell bent on getting the absolute maximum from that sort of crazy investment.

Personally myself,i think around £3.000 would be maximum if not less ?