Project Cars PC

Excuse the racing line!!

Was that on a Nintendo 64 as the graphics were not up to much

Don't forget to select 1080p 60 if your screen supports it

My Macbook Pro goes far higher than that

In reply to a post by jorkila:

Excuse the racing line!!

Racing line? Looked more like a Qualcast than a sports car lol!

I think compression was ruining the visuals there mate, unless it's just the Youtube connection at my end. I know how good PC looks on PC!

Yeah unfortunately it does seem to lose quality after uploading

Nice

I thought he was playing a Atari 2600

am I the only one who plays with outside view behind car?

Having tried sony's driveclub psn edition I can say that project cars easily has better visuals and is the better game from gameplay point of view as well.

The sensation of speed is greatly reduced, thus less realistic in that view. It's for beginners and girlfriends.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

Having tried sony's driveclub psn edition I can say that project cars easily has better visuals and is the better game from gameplay point of view as well.

I think "easily has better visuals" is a very bold claim.

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The sensation of speed is greatly reduced when using a plastic Steering Wheel

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

The sensation of speed is greatly reduced, thus less realistic in that view. It's for beginners and girlfriends.

Yep

Bumper cam is by far the fastest for solo play, when you know the circuit well. When you have other cars on track though, you can't adequately see what's happening ahead of you.

Got pestered into buying F1 2015 on PS4 by wotty, but kilas tempted me back to project cars on pc.

Just need to sort this poxy bluetooth issue out to get some mouse practice in. Got the day off on Thursday so I will try to get it sorted under warranty then.

I think P Cars is better graphically in the attention to detail department but overall I wouldn't say by much, Driveclub is a fantastic looking game!!

In reply to a post by jorkila:

I think P Cars is better graphically in the attention to detail department but overall I wouldn't say by much, Driveclub is a fantastic looking game!!

Definitely.

On comparative hardware I would say Project Cars paid a lot more attention to detail in terms of crowd, track infrastructure etc. But DC is an amazingly polished game, no doubt about it. The "easily better" is the contentious part. Higher end graphics cards are a different kettle of fish obviously

On console, I doubt Project Cars could ever live up to DriveClub visuals, because it does so much more in terms of physics than DC.

If DC had more circuits than tracks, I would still be playing it now, no question.

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I don't think visuals beyond the track are that important in a diving game but physics certainly are

Everyone has their own view, but the games arent in the same league in my view. Especially the weather.

Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 05-Nov-15 04:23:55)

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

Everyone has their own view, but the games arent in the same league in my view. Especially the weather.

Hmmm. The weather in Drive Club is far more realistic. That's been known since release, unless p/cars has improved theirs dramatically. It may well have, because I haven't bothered with the weather in project cars since first getting the game, as it was an instant disappointment after playing in horizontal rain and snow in DriveClub.

Project cars has more detail and better physics. DC has better weather, but also a very. very nice look for what you need to see, as Swanny puts it. Do you own DriveClub? If you're playing P/Cars on a 970, then that's not comparative opinion, just hardware based appraisal.

Project Cars is a much better game IMO, but simply stating "easily better visuals" appears a little disingenuous.

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I don't think visuals beyond the track are that important in a diving game but physics certainly are

Agreed.

The real problem with DriveClub was the rammers. Do you know in F1 2015 (may have been in earlier versions, I wouldn't know) that in multiplayer it is impossible to ram? You just ghost through the other players, so you can simply drive your fastest lap? It's a bit disconcerting at the start and your feet automatically go for the brake pedal, but once you are used to it, it's far fairer to those trying to drive competitively.

I still prefer the custom co-op Grand Prix though. Watch wotty getting spun in qualifying by Hamilton. He refused to believe it wasn't me unless I proved it with a video, so I obliged lol! I dunno, we get so competitive us boys, eh?

Jesus, I'm starting to sound like my missus.....

The biggest problem with Drive Club is Drive Club

Soon be long forgotten in the next few days Nelly I'm sure.

So you won't be joining myself and Frag tomorrow night having taken the Swanny point of view about price

Thats ok we can focus on killing instead of rescuing you from the Hordes of Zombies.

Edited by time2die (Thu 05-Nov-15 08:17:34)

Changed your mind about going in the pits then

I'm still up for Friday or Saturday mate, just won't have the giant map that's all, so you won't have to run as far to pick me up!

Lol! At least you watched it all then mate! I wasn't intending to go into the pits in the first place, just too busy trying to catch Hamilton in a Maclaren; it was never gonna happen. How the hell I missed that arnco is anybody's guess!

Ok buddy we see you on,actually we will have more than likely tested it this evening as Frags going to a Midnight launch to pickup his copy.

Poor old Jorkila has no PC gaming friends to play it with apart from on His Sweeney Todd.........He Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Edited by time2die (Thu 05-Nov-15 14:36:57)

Is That Formula 1 2008 on the Playstation 3 or What Lots of graphical defects from the 30 seconds of what i saw of it before i dropped of into a Coma

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Poor old Jorkila has no PC gaming friends to play it with apart from on His Sweeney Todd.........He Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Ahem! Unless.....

my comparison is based on the hardware available to me. I am not going to give drive club free points for that reason.

So its a simple comparison of the gameplay and physics based on my own personal opinion on the two games.

I dont own the full drive club, I dont know if the gameplay or physics are better in that than the PSN edition and I probably never will know as i have no plans to buy it.

If you are suggesting drive club is limited by the ps4 hardware than bully to those dev's for choosing the ps4 platform, it is what it is for me (but remember dx11 is not very efficient). Not everyone will agree with me, you dont but I move on. But I dont have max settings for project cars especially if I use 1440p (got new monitor now), my settings are probably nearer mid range than high end on the game. But like i said its also about gameplay, and I just feel better with project cars in its controls, turning mechanics etc. Also look at the options in the game, project cars allows you to change a lot of things, I have never seen another driving game offer that kind of customisation before. Whilst drive club (again I am basing on the psn edition) lets you change almost nothing, the title screen just seems to dump you straight into the game.

Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 06-Nov-15 00:15:18)

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

my comparison is based on the hardware available to me. I am not going to give drive club free points for that reason.

Then how can it be a valid comparison? You simply can't compare a 970 to the PS4 or Xbone.

So its a simple comparison of the gameplay and physics based on my own personal opinion on the two games.

You said that Project Cars had "easily better visuals." It doesn't. I agree entirely about the gameplay and physics, and have said so subsequently in this thread.

Project Cars is particularly inefficient code, in my opinion because it tries to do so much and on every available platform. lt is my favourite racing game to date by a margin, but I won't give it free points. It's complexity is sometimes a downside, as well as a benefit.

Either way, both Driveclub and Project Cars did extremely well with the default wheel settings (which is by far the most important aspect), unlike F1 2015 and Dirt Rally. Unless you stop playing in chase car view with a controller, you will never be able to comprehend the night and day difference. It's critical to a debate about physics.

My 380 plays Dirt Rally at Ultra and 4 x MSAA, with fame rates of 53/58/59. The refresh rate obviously being capped at 59Hz by my TV (P.S. it doesn't require any magic fairy dust either).

I doubt I get anywhere near such stable frame rates from Project Cars, but the handling physics are superb in PC. I don't feel the same way about Dirt Rally even after numerous updates.

I posted a video yesterday of Project Cars on PC, mentioning how well they have done with the controls.

Not everyone will agree with me, you dont but I move on.

If you stop feigning upset and try to use even a little objectivity, everyone might, but it seems you're the one that expects a free pass.

Get a a proper force feedback wheel, not a cheapy with a rubber band off of eBay, then reappraise the physics. DriveClub does a superb job and is not hamstrung by obtuse options that only the most ardent sim enthusiast would consider tinkering with.

At the very least, start playing with your controller in cockpit or bumper cam views only. The detail (literally) flying by in your mirror will then quickly become irrelevant. You might even find a comparison of the car modelling to be a revelation.

Edited by mrnelster (Fri 06-Nov-15 07:38:02)

I tried putting 32 GT3 cars on the Nordschleife, but it caused a bit of a traffic jam!

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

my comparison is based on the hardware available to me. I am not going to give drive club free points for that reason.

Then how can it be a valid comparison? You simply can't compare a 970 to the PS4 or Xbone.

Shhh!!! You'll upset Timey

Looks like the school run near me

No Driving game will ever upset Timey even if it has breathtaking visuals .

I have completely no interest in Racing Games in general unless they are of the Crazy Taxi Variety .

everyone plays these games in their own way, I prefer behind car as its how I am more comfortable playing.

I accept your views but you dont seem to want to accept mine, its as if you have an issue with people disagreeing with you.

I don't agree with anything he says ...........Ever

Nonsense. I simply said that on comparative hardware DriveClub looks amazingly polished. You don't agree. Virtually the whole industry agreed that the only thing it didn't get wrong was the visuals! You're the one that can't stand being disagreed with.

I haven't forgotten your insinuation that I was lying about how well Dirt Rally looked on my AMD card. You said I must have been running it with "Magic Fairy" or "Pixie Dust". Yet it really does run perfectly at 59 FPS on Ultra, 4 x MSAA. So I stopped taking you seriously there and then.

And for the record, I don't have a problem with you driving in chase cam. If it makes you feel good, fair play to you. Developers include it to encourage casuals.

Far be it from me to advocate the removal of wife and girlfriends view.

Shhh!!! You'll upset Timey

I'll upset him tonight and make him rage quit!

Got some birthday money. Options:

New case and R9 390X
Keep case and R9 Nano
Save it towards Project Morpheus

What do you think, go for the visuals or the immersion? I'm absolutely convinced that Project Cars in VR is going to be amazing.

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

Shhh!!! You'll upset Timey

I'll upset him tonight and make him rage quit!

Got some birthday money. Options:

New case and R9 390X
Keep case and R9 Nano
Save it towards Project Morpheus

What do you think, go for the visuals or the immersion? I'm absolutely convinced that Project Cars in VR is going to be amazing.

Or buy a real Mans Steering wheel and not the bit of plastic you are currently using

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I don't agree with anything he says ...........Ever

I don't debate with City fans. They're quite obviously intellectually challenged from the outset.

Up the Villa!

In reply to a post by time2die:

No Driving game will ever upset Timey even if it has breathtaking visuals .

I have completely no interest in Racing Games in general unless they are of the Crazy Taxi Variety .

You'd struggle at a whist drive Magoo....

The case is just a box to put good stuff in. Get the Nano

Unfortunately i am also a very sad Villa Fan

Wasn't that a Robin Williams punchline from Mork and Mindy

Will the 390x not fit then?

Nope........His waist is much wider than that

I dont care what the industry thinks.

There is no right and wrong, everyone will have their own opinion, the industry will only state an opinion.

Thanks for confirming you continue to hold a personal grudge, seems we will never have a civil discussion as you keep clinging onto the past.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

I dont care what the industry thinks.

Quite. What would they know?

There is no right and wrong, everyone will have their own opinion, the industry will only state an opinion.

Wrong.

Thanks for confirming you continue to hold a personal grudge, seems we will never have a civil discussion as you keep clinging onto the past.

If you mean clinging on to reality, then for once I agree with you. But just as long as I've got a plentiful supply of pixie dust, I won't be needing your advice, so...

In reply to a post by time2die:

Nope........His waist is much wider than that

Brilliant! Post of the day, I'll let you have that one!

In reply to a post by jorkila:

Will the 390x not fit then?

Not sure. I've been looking on Google and as usual there's a lot of conflicting dimensions. Not sure if it's down to inaccurate advertising or just third parties altering the cooling in different ways.

There's also the PSU issue. The 390X requires a 750 minimum apparently, but the Nano will run at 600. Not sure any of it is accurate to be honest, but 8 gig of 390x would be brilliant if I can fit it all in.

if I followed what the industry said I would have missed out on a lot of games I love but the industry said are terrible. So yes they are not all godlike beings that get everything right. Especially when you take into consideration the corruption of the review industry.

You seem to have a strange mental problem, holding personal vendettas, taking offense if someone says something bad about something you like and have a big superiority complex categorising people who dont play the same way as you do as casual gamers.

Your behaviour has even triggered people to apologise to me on your behalf and forum moderation, for someone who has past adolescence you are a strange guy.

You do have a problem, you simply cannot accept I think project cars is a lot better than drive club, something in your mental state says there must be something wrong with me if I dont like the game as much as you do. I dont think I have come across anyone else on the internet quite as stubborn as yourself, other than people who do it deliberately to troll.

Am I talking [censored]? well the fact you even refuse to accept there is no right or wrong if a game is good or not, you that is a very bizarre opinion that tends to only come from employees, trolls, fanboys and the like. The industry isnt an opinion, its some kind of gospel truth? come on wake up.

Timey e.g. doesnt like jrpg's but he respects the fact I like them, he doesnt start calling me names, swearing at me, telling me I am wrong and all the other nonsense, he just respects I like those type of games.

Your behaviour has even triggered people to apologise to me on your behalf and forum moderation, for someone who has past adolescence you are a strange guy.

Ooooh now we're getting properly personal.

I don't need people to apologise on my behalf. You should now spill the beans and I'll set them straight.

I'm waiting?

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

if I followed what the industry said I would have missed out on a lot of games I love but the industry said are terrible. So yes they are not all godlike beings that get everything right.

I didn't say they were, quite the opposite in fact; the review industry slated DriveClub, but the one thing they didn't slate it for were it's visuals. If you're not saying it's a great game with lesser visuals, or a lesser game with great visuals, then what are you saying? That the industry is corrupt when it disagrees with you, or perhaps only corrupt when it agrees with me? You need to be more objective if you want your opinion to be easily comprehended.

You seem to have a strange mental problem, holding personal vendettas, taking offense if someone says something bad about something you like

I think implying somebody is lying because they didn't take your advice with regards to GPU's, then saying the performance they are getting must be down to some good "pixie dust" actually says more about your mental state than mine.

and have a big superiority complex categorising people who dont play the same way as you do as casual gamers.

Not a casual gamer, a casual "driving" gamer. There is a marked difference and one that is easily understood by regular fans of the genre. That's simple objectivity again, but I can understand why you would want it to look like an insult.

Your behaviour has even triggered people to apologise to me on your behalf and forum moderation, for someone who has past adolescence you are a strange guy.

We should meet up. You might change your mind.

You do have a problem, you simply cannot accept I think project cars is a lot better than drive club, something in your mental state says there must be something wrong with me if I dont like the game as much as you do.

This denotes why you and I clash. I haven't said any of these things. I simply questioned your opinion of the visual aspect of DriveClub. Your reaction is what makes me suspect your bias, not your original comment. I have quite categorically admitted across the thread that Projects Cars is better in every conceivable way. It's not that I don't want to agree with you, it's that I simply can't if you refuse to be objective. You're comparing a 970's visuals to a PS4; your own stance historically on the power of the ps4 compared to a even a mid range PC, fundamentally undermines the argument you are trying to make here in comparison.

I dont think I have come across anyone else on the internet quite as stubborn as yourself, other than people who do it deliberately to troll.

The problem is, if you talk the talk, I will call you on it. It's apparent how much you hate that.

Am I talking [censored]?

I didn't say that.

well the fact you even refuse to accept there is no right or wrong if a game is good or not, you that is a very bizarre opinion that tends to only come from employees, trolls, fanboys and the like. The industry isnt an opinion, its some kind of gospel truth? come on wake up.

I didn't say that either, but intellect allows me to be objective. As I said above, takng the position that they are only right when they are agreeing with you is either spectacularly naive or just manipulative on your part.

Timey e.g. doesnt like jrpg's but he respects the fact I like them, he doesnt start calling me names, swearing at me, telling me I am wrong and all the other nonsense, he just respects I like those type of games.

I respect your right to like whatever you like in your gaming bubble. The variety of genres is the beauty of gaming. But when you start calling me a fanboy simply because I am capable of comprehensively takng apart your ill thought out and biased comments, you need to bring your best game or otherwise stay in your bubble and don't bother replying to me.

I'm glad we've got that cleared up then.

Edited by mrnelster (Sat 07-Nov-15 12:31:22)

I have played ps4 games that are more visually better than games on the pc, so no its not just down to the hardware, but the point I already made to you I can only compare what is in front of me, for me project cars is visually superior, however like I said many times over I dont just play games for how they look. The main reason I prefer project cars is the way it plays and how much it can be changed to suit the individual gamer.

Project cars is quite a demanding game, as I own just a single gtx 970 I have nowhere near the max settings possible, I may deliberately turn weather related options down to see if it feels significantly different but regardless that would actually make it a wrong opinion as I would be artificially making the game worse to try and make another game seem better.

By the way note in regards to the weather my comment is also related to the sound affects and how the weather affects the AI drivers. The project cars dev's have gone to great lengths to make the AI react in the right way in various weather conditions with many patches released based on player feedback.

As I said before, this is my own personal opinion there will be many people who dont agree with me and that's good for them, everyone will judge a game in their own ways and not always agree with each other. We are all unique otherwise life would be boring.

There is driving games I have played on the pc which are aweful (again in my opinion), in this case its about the software, I hate the f1 driving games, I also own grid autosport on the pc which I think is a rubbish game, there is no bias here.

Edited by Chrysalis (Sun 08-Nov-15 03:46:28)

I have played ps4 games that are more visually better than games on the pc, so no its not just down to the hardware

If you think about why the PS4 visuals look so nice in DriveClub and why you have to turn down the options on Project Cars for PC, you might come to the conclusion that both games push their respective hardware to the limit. That's why it's a pointless comparison. If you compare it with Project Cars on PS4 it is a completely different story, with DriveClub looking far better polished. But then we could argue about frame rate, so?

If you are going to compare apples with oranges, you need to be careful with your synopsis or go into greater detail as to why you came to that conclusion.

As I've said, I don't disagree with you as to which is the better game, only that "easily better" is a little misleading and I stand by that. More so because it's a driving game. When you are in the pack in DriveClub, jostling for position (especially in cockpit or T-cam views) there is no difference at all in the visuals that I can discern. Both have beautifully rendered car models.

However, if you are alone on a long straight looking at the scenery (particularly in chase cam), you could happily argue that Project Cars has better texture and detail. But in car, in the pack, visually, not physically or in terms of fps, Drive Club for all intent and purposes looks as good as Project Cars, no question.

DriveClub also does a great job with force feedback code, as nicely weighted as Project Cars straight out of the box, just with far fewer tweaking options. In that respect, the F1 franchise should hang it's head in shame. That's a part I haven't pushed you on, because you're not using a wheel, but again, objectively, that is a very important consideration in appraising a racing games physics.

Bearing in mind the hardware limitations, taking account of platform officianados and simply some peoples expectations being overstretched by repeated delays in development, the only fair lambasting of DriveClub was for the online fiasco. It's a shame, because it was great fun to play AND look at.

I think Drive Club and Project Cars are both [censored]..........Nuff Said.......Period.

Timey speaks and i am the Law........

The End ...

And they both lived happily ever after

In reply to a post by time2die:

I think Drive Club and Project Cars are both [censored]

Which is why you need to be ignored in this thread....

This is captured in 720 rather than 1080, but you would struggle to say it doesn't look fantastic and be taken seriously. The weather, the reflections and plenty of detail. It's a grand achievement in my opinion.

Post a 720 capture of Project Cars from your 970 and we can have an honest debate as to how the visual downgrade effects the overall experience. I'm willing to bet it's slight if at all. We don't need an argument, but we can't appraise them both publicly without evidence.

I know yours will render much more detail, but the law of diminishing returns and all that. If I get a chane this afternoon I'll fire up Project Cars on PS4 and do a 720 comparison, then a 720 on PC as well and post them both

Correct

Stick to zombies. You did good last night.

Actually i was just saying in another thread I'm completely confused and yourself and Matty as far as I'm concerned played and performed better.

I think if i understood the logistics a little bit more i might find the game a tad easier to understand and play.

At present on most occasions last night I'm running around like a headless chicken following you 2 and taking instructions as to where to go,what to open,what not to touch,what box to open...............I got headache

There's no doubt Driveclub is a beautiful looking game!!

No its not........Not even with my enhanced Magoo Vision

You did good for a beginner and by the end you were playing strategically, knowing how to give yourself the best chance of being revived, and being in the best place to revive your team mates.

Success in zombies is all about situational awareness within the team, not the map. You leant that quite quickly I thought!

Kills and cash hogging is for solo players.

Edited by mrnelster (Sun 08-Nov-15 14:40:53)

Here's one with you, me and matty playing bumper cars at 130mph.

Ahhhh the good old days before you sold out to pc.....and sold your PS4 lol!

It's actually a shame DriveClub couldn't come to PC.

Haha love it mate!!

what I will say is if I had played driveclub before ever playing project cars (as the industry reviewers did, remember drive club launched first) my view may have been different. I do think drive club is better than those games I listed at the end of my previous post.

Project cars raised the standard.

my reply may surprise you, obviously I have to look past youtube compression.

To me the scenery is quite good, the houses,trees, mountains, thats an area project cars doesnt shine very well. I also liked how the light glared at the end of the tunnel, but the rain I dont think is as good as project cars.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

my reply may surprise you, obviously I have to look past youtube compression.

To me the scenery is quite good, the houses,trees, mountains, thats an area project cars doesnt shine very well. I also liked how the light glared at the end of the tunnel, but the rain I dont think is as good as project cars.

Vote on it!

voted

I'd have to go with Driveclub myself!

My vote goes to Crazy Taxi without hesitation

I'd rather play project cars

In reply to a post by Lt_Swan:

I'd rather play project cars

So would I.

Me too but there are parts of Driveclub that out shine P Cars for certain!!

I'd rather play Wee Willie Winky

In reply to a post by jorkila:

Me too but there are parts of Driveclub that out shine P Cars for certain!!

Yeah the part when you eject the disk and play a Mans Game..........Like Simpsons the Movie

Yep.

When I'm playing alone, I think project Cars definitely offers a better all round experience. For multiplayer though, I think DriveClub is better, especially when half way through a race there is a snow storm! That really mixes it up from a social aspect.

The five of us in this one, but it was you, me and Swanny neck and neck untill I binned it into a telegraph pole on the last lap!

Wee Jimmy Cranky more like....

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

The five of us in this one, but it was you, me and Swanny neck and neck untill I binned it into a telegraph pole on the last lap!

Nice

And to think Swanny seriously thought he would win in his Combine Harvester

In reply to a post by time2die:

And to think Swanny seriously thought he would win in his Combine Harvester

He still came top out of us!

I think Kila sneaked infront of me at the end of that race :/

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Watkins Glen.

Brands Hatch Indy.

Edited by jorkila (Mon 28-Mar-16 17:36:33)

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Hang on i will put a link on YouTube so you can watch me painting

Edited by time2die (Mon 28-Mar-16 17:38:34)

Gotta be better than watching you fumbling your way around The Division

I hate giving Timey anti driving game ammunition, but I've got to admit mate, it is a bit boring if you keep starting from the front. Start from the back and work your way back up! Then there's action to watch.

Like this!

If you start at the back and win, you've got it set too easy! I usually go mid pack and aim for a top three finish. Watching this vid again is also a reminder as to just how good it looks on PS4! Might have to dig it out again and get wotty and the boys on it.

After Swanny talking about iRacing the other day, I came across this by accident. Sounds excellent and they seem to have modded it to give real time info about track position (like iRacing).

And here is an example of how tight the racing is (and should be). Might be worth visiting once I've had the chance to mod my brake pedal.

Or buy a better set when the whiff isn't looking...

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

And here is an example of how tight the racing is (and should be).

Looks great
I didn't buy the G29 :/

Hey I like to qualify and I'm currently playing around with the AI difficulty, that last vid was at 70%, I can't help it if I'm too good
I've bookmarked the gentlemens club (that'll get Timey interested )

I wouldn't have either. It looks cheaply made to me.