Xbox Scorpio and 4K Gaming.......Really

It begs the Question based on this view


So a Nvidia 1080GTX struggles at £650 to produce 4k games ,doesn't sound like Microsoft really know what that talking about here if you ask me.

We all know tech becomes cheaper the longer its out ,but this could be a Panasonic 3DO price point from the past and be retailing at around £600 at best.

Edited by time2die (Fri 17-Jun-16 18:52:41)

You didn't even read this article to the end did you

Nope.....just the first few paragraphs

Interesting. So what he is saying and what Phil spencer seems to confirm is that the games will have the same graphics apart from the resolution which will be 4k, that will be the only difference. so it is possible.

Games on Project Scorpio will look no different to their counterparts on Xbox One; the only difference will be the resolution at which the game is rendered. In doing this, no customer will miss out: should you have a Project Scorpio under your TV, with a 4K TV, the only difference with your game will be the amount of pixels rendered on your screen. Reflections, textures, shadow quality; everything within the game itself will be exactly the same no matter which console you play on.

Despite many claiming this can�t be true given the power of the console, it�s a fact even confirmed today by Phil Spencer in an interview with Eurogamer, where Phil asked the interviewer what TV they had:

Phil Spencer: What TV do you have?

Eurogamer: A standard 1080p TV.

Phil Spencer: Then you should buy this box, because Scorpio is not going to do anything for you. Scorpio is designed as a 4K console, and if you don't have a 4K TV, the benefit we've designed for, you're not going to see. Clearly, you can buy Scorpio, and if and when you decide you want to buy a 4K television to take advantage of the increased performance, obviously the console will be ready for you.

rendering resolution is the biggest hit on the card tho.

I think it will be upscaled rather than native 4k resolution. The new flagships from nvidia can comfortably now do 1440p and just about do 4k at 60fps depending on the game. But they are have more grunt than the new consoles.

4k of course might be possible if you do tricks like reduce draw distance (horrible pop ins), lower shadow resolution, disable all AA, reduce tessellation etc. but then you will end up with a game that looks worse as resolution isnt the be all and end all.

I believe it will more than likely end up to mean "upscaling" too.

I think we rely on 60fps too much though. If I could buy a 1070/80 to lock solidly at 30fps on high settings, in any current game in 4K, I'd rip their hands off. If the Scorpio does achieve native 4K, it will definitely be at 30fps, and more than likely very loud too!

What settings are they using on those cards? he point's out that while a 1080 might struggle on high settings it can easily do it on medium, which is what consoles will be using.

Consoles currently employ the PC�s �medium� settings, meaning should this trend continue over the next 18 months, it�s absolutely possible medium setting games would be able to be rendered at 4K (heck, that�s easily possible today for PCs, should gamers turn their settings down).

Could be up scaling but it's misleading to call that 'True 4k gaming'.

I don't think it will be upscaling either, let's not forget this will be 18 months away and with what AMD are claiming their new 480 can do at such a competitive price there is absolutely no reason we shouldn't see an affordable 4k solution by then!!

30fps at any resolution feels horrible to me on PC if I'm honest!

It's amazing how they do it on console and make it feel playable!

marketers dont care if its misleading or not they just need to shift units.

I might be wrong but given they struggling to do 1080p even at 30fps now I just cannot see 4k rendering except maybe on simple games.

its what your eyes and brain is used to, if you only play at 30fps it will feel fine.

I do think people tend to overhype higher framerates, especially those who claim there to be a big visual difference between say 120fps and 144fps. If I play at 60fps for a few hours and then drop to 30fps in a game, yes it will feel different at first, but then after playing for 10 mins or so I will be used to 30fps again.

Also I think the framerate importance is different on different games, for me driving games, I consider the most important for higher framerates, and also I think game menus should be 60fps, but otherwise for the most part I am ok with 30fps. Also I dont like it when I hear the phrase "upto 60fps", usually thats developer speak for they capped at 60fps but the game wont maintain it and have variable framerate, I always prefer a lower steady framerate to a higher variable one, even on driving games.

The S refresh is going to have 4K upscaling so the Scorpio will definitely be native 4K. I was/am a bit sceptical about whether they can do it by next year given the cost constraints but I don't think it's impossible. My old 770 could run 1440p @ 60fps no problems on medium to high settings. The 980 can do it on ultra. 1440p to 4K is a big step-up though.

Oh I read as well (sorry lost the article now) that older 1080p games that use dynamic resolution scaling could benefit from the Scorpio as well. With all the extra power they'll be able to run at the full 1080p the whole time instead of dropping down when the scene gets crowded. So not sure it's entirely true to say that Scorpio does nothing for you if you don't have a 4K TV.

I personally believe that this is an announcement timed to stifle support for the PlayStation Neo before it gathers a head of steam, rather than a definitive spec.

In terms of 4K, my 380 upscales on a 1080 screen to 4K, although it struggles to lock at anything close to 30 frames on high. More like 20. My 390x doesn't have any trouble at all, but it doesn't look noticeably different. It looks and feels better at 1080 IMO.

I'd agree with Kila that 4K, should be native 4K. The difference is negligible up to 40" screens anyway, so if the game doesn't have an HD texture pack offering, I don't really know if it will be worthwhile.

But if the noise my PS4 makes on games with detailed textures is anything to go by, the Scorpio will definitely need a low power solution in a decent sized enclosure; the Neo is surely going to sound like a jet engine.

Well they have finally ditched the external power brick supply and have gone down the Sony route with this one.

I prefer an external psu myself, less heat inside the console!

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I prefer an external psu myself, less heat inside the console!

We could be heading for none at all with USB-C according to this article?

http://www.t3.com/news/t3-explains-what-is-usb-c-and...