In reply to a post by mrnelster:

What do you think of the visuals Swanny? I like the graphics and detail overall, it's just the definition seems pretty rough around the edges. And on the bigger maps it gives gaming pensioners like me eye strain.
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yea I agree, maybe we are starting to get old :/

Aha! But you'll never take me alive!!

When it's not hurting my eyes (and it's not always that bad) I'm quite enjoying it. The ground vehicles are great fun. But dont worry. I'm still properly pumped for MW3 spec ops.
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I've had a headache all day today I wonder if it's because of last nights BF3 session??
Can't be the beer

if you'd have seen me in that helicopter last night you'd have thought I'd been on the beer.

The truth of the matter is it wasn't my fault. It was "the wrong type of helicopter". I was expecting the uppy downy lefty righty model.
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Oh that one. That's old hat I'm afraid.

Welcome to the Battlefield school of flying - it's more uppy, downy, rotaty lefty righty with a bit of old pitchy-witchy thrown in for good measure.

Takes ages to master but at least it's the same scary way of doing things as it was in previous outings.

I had an upside downity one

The beta was full of those as I remember...

Hey man if your enjoying it then thats what its all about and im glad that there is much about the game that you like.

They are working on a patch. Lets hope it arrives soon

DICE is currently working on a Battlefield 3 patch that will improve a number of things, fix some issues, and so on � whatever a patch is supposed to do. But the upcoming patch will also tweak some gameplay elements like weapons and vehicles, chief of which are the jets. If you�ve tried to fly a jet in Battlefield 3, you�d know that the entry bar is very steep: you are only given access to a machine gun, which is incredibly hard to rake up any points with in order to get any useful weapon unlocks, like air to air missiles or even flares.

But according to DICE�s Frederik Thylander (via Twitter), jets are getting �buffed up� in an upcoming Battlefield 3 patch. Thylander responded to complaints from users that jets are underpowered, which they in many ways are in their current form. It�s still unknown what kind of upgrades jets might receive, but at the very least, we hope that flares are available as standard.

As has been mentioned the AA guns are beyond useless - it is almost impossible to judge how far you need to lead a target due to not really being able to tell how close the jet is to you. I spent about 2 mins in 1 and then got out. Given that you can unlock the stinger quickly as an engi everyone can be an anti air gun if they bother.