I read somewhere the other day (but can't find the link now) that the 360 was rumoured for about a year, announced at E3 and then released the same year in time for Christmas.

They thought this was following the same pattern. I suppose it depends on what you would call "real" rumour on whether that could be this year or next.

All of the 10 year lifespan posts are bit daft as well from a Sony perspective. I think that includes future support as seen with the PS2. The PS3 will be seven years old just after Christmas and if the PS2 is anything to go buy then 3 years support would be taken as read. They will after all have to support the downloadable content that people have bought by the bucketload, one would assume anyway. Whether you can transfer it to the new console will be an interesting one.

The 360 will be 8 so I can't imagine them leaving it till Christmas 2013. I think 2014 is the corporate red herring being thrown about. I fully expect them to be earlier than the industry speculation if either of them don't want the other to gain the upper hand.

I hope so anyway.

Good points, truth is, none of us really know until it's announced.

Other thing to bear in mind though is that Sony were losing something like $800 per console on release and MS around $100 (if reports were correct at the time!), it took Sony until around 2010 to start making any profit on their consoles, I think MS was inside a year.

With the current fiscally challenged environment we live in at the moment, it could be that the bean counters won't allow such losses until the hardware cost comes down. After all, they can still churn out COD X thru Z and make another couple of billion, instead of making losses on subsidised consoles sales.

All speculation of course!

Well, nothing announced at CES, guess we'll have to wait until E3 in June to see if they have anything up their sleeves for this year.

I now doubt either of them will bother which is a major mistake to leave Nintendo with no competition with there new console,if Nintendo say that this time they are aiming for a more mature market then Sony and Microsoft need to do something.

Personally i think they are trying to get water out of a stone here but playstation 3 sales went through the roof last nov/dec and when you sell that many why would they even contemplate releasing a new console this year.

It would have been great and they may well surprise but i think we are talking 2013 here unless one of them changes there tune and decides that Nintendo may well be a threat and make a shock announcement .

Apart from a few developers i think they have peaked and reached there full potential and nothing confirms this more than seeing Battlefield 3 on consoles which looked nothing like the drop dead gorgeous footage shown 6 months before release.

If History is anything to go by and we look at past console releases we have always known 18 months prior about them,so for Microsoft or Sony release this year then its going to be one of the best kept secrets for a long time.

With so called industry experts contradicting each other, it's hard enough to 2nd guess what will happen. But when some of them talk guff like this, it's anybody's guess.

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/the-state-of-the-...

I really don't think Nintendo are going to challenge PS or Xbox. The Wii was a kids console, a few good games, but still a kids console. Even if they do try and appeal to a maturer market with this new console I don't think it will make much of a difference. They may have a few good games but not enough to compete with the quality of games the other 2 bring out, it's just not going to happen.

You may be right but Nintendo have openly said they want the mature market back,add to that the fact that they look like the only company in releasing a console this year .

I hope I am wrong to be honest T2D, I would love to see Nintendo have it's glory days again like with the N64 but they just seem to have slacked off. I was a sucker and bought both a Gamecube and Wii and a few games were ok on them but the rest were of no interest to me. If Nintendo bring out a new console with a plethora of games like Adventure, Platform, FPS, RPG etc. with sharp graphics & great gameplay not cartoony graphics with childish gameplay I will be interested. *sits on the fence and waits*

Exactly the same thought process of myself Jaxx,i also bought the gamecube [imported jap and usa ones and also in the end a Pal Gamecube.

Apart from the latest Zelda my Nintendo Wii has done nothing for the past 12-18 months because of the facts that you have just mentioned.

They really did do well with the Wii but like you say they totally gave up and all that came out month after month were stupid dance and fitness type games or really childish stuff that i have little to no interest in.

Like i said to Mrnelster in a previous conversation i will only be interested when i see that they have something of substance that appeals to me and the fact that they will released more mature games.

Im not sold from what i have seen on the tablet sized controller about the size of a ipad and the fact that this screen on the tablet will have a major part in the gaming process.

See my problem with this is i generally wear glasses for reading and also distance glasses for every day use and watching television ,so having this tablet in my hand means reading glasses,then actually playing the game on tv requires my other glasses.

Not exactly taking older age in to it are they and people like me who have not got that 20/20 vision anymore and that is another reason why i gave up on the Nintendo and Playstation portable gaming machines as they are just far to small for my liking anymore and if i want a spot of portable gaming i much prefer the bigger Ipad screen.

Thats why the new Sony vito has no interest for somebody like myself and any future hand held for that matter.

I bought the psp and the 3ds and i bet i never spent more than a hour with them and they quickly got traded.

I have 2 psp's but never play them. My hobby is collecting umd's for less than £2
Never watch them though :/

Are the games for the Vita download only again like the last psp??

Ahh found this

If you're a PSP owner already, any PSP titles you have previously downloaded from PlayStation Store will be playable on PlayStation Vita, along with minis and PS one Classics. You'll also be able to download new PlayStation Vita games and other content directly from PlayStation Store.

For non-downloadable games, PlayStation Vita uses an innovative flash based memory card which stores full software titles, any add-on game content and game save data.

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