But basically it is every 2 years because each year it is a different developer so in all honesty IW and Treyarch both have 2 full years to make the product.

But nothing has come close to MW1 i will agree with that statement

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You say about the new kid on the block (I presume you mean BF3) but I didn't enjoy WaW at all, MW2 had huge issues such as gun balance and the horrible peer 2 peer system and kill streaks involving nuclear bombs(!?).

I don't disagree wih any of those comments.

But I also can't agree that the franchise is poor graphically. Basically because it isn't. It is akin to IGN scoring games at 5/10 because they are exactly the same as the previous installment.....that they gave a 9.5/10! Millions of people know what they like and millions more are comfortable with more of the same.

If it doesn't improve dramatically next gen, then that would be fair criticism. Saying they are greedy and could afford to push the envelope visually is also a fair point. But saying it is poor visually for not evolving is incorrect. It's disappointing yes, but that doesn't make it poor. It does show just how fickle gamers can be.

Those who despise it so badly, needn't play it. I wanted to like BF3 and it's more realistic approach but it felt like hard work on the eye. I am a gamer that would rather have less detail in a clearer form, than everything but the kitchen sink going on at a lower frame rate with visual issues. Maybe that's just my eyes, but if others eyes can cope then that's all good. Those playing on PC's probably won't have that problem.

One thing is for sure, next gen they will both have dramatically better visuals and then the debate really will (quite rightly) revolve around the gameplay.

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One thing is for sure, next gen they will both have dramatically better visuals and then the debate really will (quite rightly) revolve around the gameplay.

It should all be about the game play. IMO adding perks and ranks ruins that.
Bring back the early days before we had them
Ranks = play time and are not a measure of skill.
Leader board at the end of a match is fine but ranks????
I couldn't give a monkeys if UnknownSoldier is of a higher rank than me.

I agree about ranks but I think perks are good as long as they are sensibly limited.

Same goes for killstreak rewards. They should be limited to support rewards such as flak jackets or UAV's. Not Nukes for the slowest connection in the match.

Owned plenty of consoles...when I was a kid.

If you want to play sports or racing games then console is superior.

If the game involves guns you use the PC. End of. There is no debate or question.

Where FPS games have gone wrong MP wise, IMHO, is they are biased towards length of play instead of skill.

Back when DOD was king of the WWII MP FPS everyone had the same equipment right from the start, you could be a casual player and still destroy someone who played 10 hours a day if you had skill. When you shot someone, they died, you didn't have to empty a full mag to get a kill like you seem to have to do in most COD games.

Now, it gets easier the longer you play. I don't get that, if anything it should get harder. There's no skill in most FPS MP games any more.

Couldn't give a monkeys about graphics, gameplay always wins over visuals.

Half a Mag.........Are you sure ?

That would be one of my biggest gripes regarding Cod games in general the fact you die far to quickly and have little time to react as it takes no more than a second to die.

First on the trigger usually wins

Yeah but we are talking about proper consoles you owned as a kid and not a Spectrum 128k

Only difference regarding guns in games console v PC is the fact you get a better resolution and smoother graphics which are better looking.

But once the new era of consoles arrives in a year or so that will be less of a problem for a while until PC move on once again and need constant upgrades.

For me it's not the graphics it's the control systems on consoles. They suck. May be great for sitting on yer [censored] on the sofa playing sonic, but for anything that requires finesse, forget it without auto aim.

Maybe they'll improve things like the kinect, but right now there's too much lag in movement to on screen time. If they manage to get a control system with similar or better ability than a mouse and keyboard I'm in, til then, I'm out

To be fair I haven't played MP since MW2, so they may have tweaked the damage model. But I'm old school, when I shoot someone they die with one bullet, not turn around and shoot back