Oh great....£127 more than the actual console...don't think so... and it's Sata 3 and not 2 which the Playstation 4 uses...so basically it's wasted and a joke price....I'm keen but I'm not a total fool.

In reply to a post by time2die:

I'm keen but I'm not a total fool.

We noticed some bits were missing

Hey Cheeky Monkey

TRIM is nice to have but it isnt required.

also newer SSD models still have GC functions that dont require TRIM support to function.

Some people on pc's have ran without TRIM for years without issues (as previously using raid disabled TRIM).

In regards to SATA2 thats not an issue either, my pc is SATA2, and a ssd on SATA2 will still be very very fast.

So that article linked means the ps4 OS isnt optimised for ssd's ie. it doesnt support all ssd features but it doesnt mean ssd's wont work.

The only writes to the disc is going to be during the following.

downloads
saving games
installing games

and thats pretty much it. Since none of that is interactive inside the game except saving games the interactive performance should be fine. The main factor is read speeds on a console.

--edit--

ps4 can record footage, so that will write to the media, so if you plan to record footage (I think streaming wont write to disc only record will).then it might be a consideration. But a workaround for lack of trim is also to ensure free space is high.

Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 06-Dec-13 03:46:19)

It is important. The PS4 may have "PC architecture" but it doesn't have the interface to allow the same level of tinkering. SSD's are extremely efficient with regularly used data such as OS tasks. With installing new games, streaming etc., the benefits may well be negligible, especially considering the increased cost and guaranteed degradation that will occur.

Another properly informed description here.

There are all sorts of tools available for cleaning up cluttered hard drives. TRIM was specifically developed by the industry to address the same problem for SSD's. There's no conspiracy.

Not a joke price ssd memory isn't cheap, its getting cheaper but still. Blame the fact that the ps4 is sata2 on sony not the drive manufacturers. You won't find any ssd (or hybrid) in the capacity you want in sata2 and to be honest , you wont notice the difference on a console.

You WILL notice the difference between an SSD and a HDD though - massively They are quieter, much much faster and will last longer than a hard drive.

If you want to go for a hybrid drive theres only one that I know of in 2.5 inch and thats this one link They aren't particularly fast though.

I never said there was a conspiracy.

ssd's primary benefit is faster reads.

the enviornment on a console is actually brilliant for it since writes are limited to instances outside of the game (unless game recording or background downloading).

TRIM was developed early on as initial drives did not have GC or very good GC, things have changed, whilst TRIM still helps its no longer as important as it was when originally developed.

In real life terms sata2 to sata3 means very little, on every day use the difference is negligible and probably not noticeable, sata3 is great for benchmarks yes but a ssd on sata2 is still lightning fast.

People have used ssd's on ps3's never mind ps4's.

What is more important than TRIM on a modern ssd is if the ps4 utilises ahci or not (command queuing).

ssd manufacturers are aware many people will run their drives in environments with no trim so they have spent lots of money and time to make their drives still work well when there is no trim. Yes it wont be as good, but it wont be bad to the point its no better than a hdd.

With all this said tho I wouldnt get a ssd for my conole, too expensive for the capacity, hybrid drive? maybe, hybrid's do seem ideal for consoles.

Some of the latest drives have firmware mechanisms that reportedly negate the need for TRIM operations, but they are prohibitively expensive for most enthusiasts, let alone the average gamer. The SSD technology at the affordable and hybrid end of the market, requires firmware support for TRIM.
Without it you could end up with the drive's capacity halved or worse, within a couple of years.

I'd love some info on a £150 SSD or Hybrid that specifically states TRIM firmware support is not required, if you have it to hand. Then I would be sorely tempted to purchase one myself.

In reply to a post by astateoftrance:

sure spookeh and others know much more and can advise

I wouldn't count on it!

Sound advice. I've read the thread now and Timey's a lucky boy he has so much good input (Swanny excepted of course!)

Looks like Chrysalis is the biggest brain here regarding the technicalities and mrnelster's research is the most pertinent.

I'm using a Seagate Momentous XT 2.5" hybrid hard drive with my Macbook so blame me for piquing Timey's interest.

My suggestion at the time was that his own iMac would benefit more from using such a device than from a massive RAM upgrade.

I have a very limited understanding of SSDs and hybrids but I recall that the failure rate for SSDs is actually meant to be higher than it is for traditional hard drives believe it or not. Even though they are solid state rather than mechanical. Can't remember much about it now and it's definitely true SSDs have improved a lot (particularly with TRIM and on-disc cell erasing management) but my biggest concern here is how important is the operating system the SSD/Hybrid disk is part of.

The Seagate Momentous drive has its own software built in to cache the OS/most frequently used data so it loads up much quicker but I don't know how dependent that is on the OS used? Windows and Mac OS are a given but for the PlayStation? I dunno. And yeah, capacity is limited to 1TB as far as I know. Very good value though...

I would probably just recommend a 2TB drive that's at least 7,200rpm with known reliability and decent performance. I expect whatever you get is pretty much going to be better than what the PS4 comes with. I agree that 500GBs is marginally too little with game requirements these days if you're like me and you like to have a few games installed at the same time. I'll check out the links Timey old chap and if I find anything useful I'll let ya know. Hope you get your baby working again soon mate.

Parp!!!!!!