Hi Bernado. I still remember the first time I played Counter Strike Source. From having played Battlefield 2 a lot and various games like Unreal Tournament 2 online, I lulled myself into a false sense of security that I was experienced online and would do ok. How wrong can you get! I was slaughtered over and over even though we were playing one team against the other. I just kept running around trying to find where people had gone to only to run round a corner and kerbam! I was dropped stone dead, just like that.

I did learn eventually that this game was very unlike others in that it only took a couple of bullets to drop you and you had to treat it a lot more like real life: get shot and you're dead. Not like BF2 or UT2 where you could survive being hit with an RPG rocket and knowing you could soak up a fair few rounds you'd be more reckless. Soon I was holding my own and scoring much higher (a big difference from not scoring at all). Strangely I had a really low ping - 5ms - the lowest I've ever had connecting to a game and it was sweet as a nut. But like Nelly says, this good experience might be a lot more down to the game than simply my latency as such. Latency (ping) should be seen as a diagnostic tool really, to check there's nothing wrong like packet loss, which could suggest problems somewhere in the actual ISP's routing, their 'backhaul' or a line fault etc. Also, there's error correcting or interleaving applied to many broadband connections by default so this adds latency, usually around 10ms or so but it can improve the reliability of ADSL connections that are considered marginal, in that they're at the margin of what can be considered a good line. If you're close to the exchange you might consider having interleaving (error correction) switched off or lowered to a 'fast path' profile. This aids latency usually at a small cost to downstream bandwidth synchronisation as I understand it (or try to).

Most of us are getting on a bit here. We're all 'mature' gamers. <Cough> Ahem. Some more mature than others... Old Nelly must be taking loads of cod liver oil capsules to be able to come up with such smart one liners so early in the morning. Nothing wrong with his mental faculties at all (well, not that way at least). We just need practise is all. Maybe more than the youngun's as they play games all the time but we're smarter <cough cough> so we have an advantage there don't we at least? Yeah, the more we play the more they pay.

Your ping seems all right then, eh? As MrNelster has said, there's other stuff going on like client or server side hit detection that work out when you're dead and who hit who - it all gets a bit messy though and there's a lot of complaint about the whole subject online as it's apparently not easy coding something that's meant to be real time action when everybody is connecting at a slightly different rate and so behind time by varying amounts. Hope you enjoy it and have a good xmas!

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

Timey has great reaction speed and he's in bus pass territory, so there's hope for everybody. He dropped fifty pence earlier and it hit him on the back of the head.

Cracks me up!

Edited by deleted (Mon 23-Dec-13 13:38:14)

In reply to a post by time2die:

What Christmas Eve ? Why Tomorrow and not today�You doing some Christmas Busking again

Now there's an idea?

Working away today and knew I wouldn't be back in time for shopping. Just got in, drenched and freezing. Brrrrr humbug you might say.

You playing tonight?

Swanny just got a early Christmas present ....A Sense Of Humour.....


I will show you old I am when I eventually catch you online one day and teach you the art of how to play a FPS like Battlefield

Graw 2 hey ....that's a old game....Stick with Gears 3 and Horde mode or get yourself a Playstation 4 and join Dads Army ,Nelly is our leader ,That's Mrnelster on these forums.

He's aloud out of the Home weekends and likes a little bit of online Gaming once his hearing aids have fully charged .

Swanny wanted to join but it's only for people with next generation consoles and a Sega mega drive just don't qualify...

He keeps sending us begging letters but we ain't having any of it...

Infact mate I would say your one of the younger gamers on these forums ,even if the games you play are about 5 years out of date

Not Blacklight Retrubution I ain't ...have to teach you to use that Playstaion network App as I don't think you got the hang of it...I send you 6 messages and you answer with a one liner 3 days later .

What game have you in mind,battlefield or Killzone and when you going to sort out that VPN online connection thingy ....

Best contact me on the network app on your phone Grandad ,ask one of the girls how to use it and to read out the messages I send you

And when do you actually break up then,and what days ,evenings are you allowed to play over Christmas wife and daughters permitting

Oh by the way Swanny wants to be in our clan but I said we only take mature minded adults and you need a Upgrade....So on both counts he Failed

Edited by time2die (Mon 23-Dec-13 18:57:32)

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Hi Bernado. I still remember the first time I played Counter Strike Source. From having played Battlefield 2 a lot and various games like Unreal Tournament 2 online, I lulled myself into a false sense of security that I was experienced online and would do ok. How wrong can you get! I was slaughtered over and over even though we were playing one team against the other. I just kept running around trying to find where people had gone to only to run round a corner and kerbam! I was dropped stone dead, just like that.

I did learn eventually that this game was very unlike others in that it only took a couple of bullets to drop you and you had to treat it a lot more like real life: get shot and you're dead. Not like BF2 or UT2 where you could survive being hit with an RPG rocket and knowing you could soak up a fair few rounds you'd be more reckless. Soon I was holding my own and scoring much higher (a big difference from not scoring at all). Strangely I had a really low ping - 5ms - the lowest I've ever had connecting to a game and it was sweet as a nut. But like Nelly says, this good experience might be a lot more down to the game than simply my latency as such. Latency (ping) should be seen as a diagnostic tool really, to check there's nothing wrong like packet loss, which could suggest problems somewhere in the actual ISP's routing, their 'backhaul' or a line fault etc. Also, there's error correcting or interleaving applied to many broadband connections by default so this adds latency, usually around 10ms or so but it can improve the reliability of ADSL connections that are considered marginal, in that they're at the margin of what can be considered a good line. If you're close to the exchange you might consider having interleaving (error correction) switched off or lowered to a 'fast path' profile. This aids latency usually at a small cost to downstream bandwidth synchronisation as I understand it (or try to).

Most of us are getting on a bit here. We're all 'mature' gamers. <Cough> Ahem. Some more mature than others... Old Nelly must be taking loads of cod liver oil capsules to be able to come up with such smart one liners so early in the morning. Nothing wrong with his mental faculties at all (well, not that way at least). We just need practise is all. Maybe more than the youngun's as they play games all the time but we're smarter <cough cough> so we have an advantage there don't we at least? Yeah, the more we play the more they pay.

Your ping seems all right then, eh? As MrNelster has said, there's other stuff going on like client or server side hit detection that work out when you're dead and who hit who - it all gets a bit messy though and there's a lot of complaint about the whole subject online as it's apparently not easy coding something that's meant to be real time action when everybody is connecting at a slightly different rate and so behind time by varying amounts. Hope you enjoy it and have a good xmas!

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

Timey has great reaction speed and he's in bus pass territory, so there's hope for everybody. He dropped fifty pence earlier and it hit him on the back of the head.

Cracks me up!

And to think its Christmas,some people have no compassion

Your not related to Dr are you.....

Yeah! Nothing wrong with being old oh wise master. Looking good for your age!*

*Skin might've turned a bit green tho is only thing

Edited by deleted (Mon 23-Dec-13 19:55:41)

Yeah Hulk style...so don't make me angry have a good few days Spook I will be trying to find Nelly a Battlefield server he can play on later this evening...

See Spook....if only you had took the plunge and bought the Playstation 4 when you were considering it 3 months back....could have joined us

Don't worry you need a head start