More like the 3 stooges

well I suppose to those who dont mind throwing high amounts of money for this sort of thing wont be bothered.

Its clear we going to end up with 2 camps.

Those who expect the hardware to last 5+ years, and those with brand loyalty will pay up no matter the frequency of new hardware.

you reward sony for your gimped console by buying a new one?

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-04-01-son...

Through all this, Sony has remained absolutely silent - a "we don't comment on rumours" stance that's not unusual for a platform holder, but which, in this specific case, represents a fairly momentous PR mistake. With the "PS4.5" being covered not just in specialist media but by mainstream outlets, Sony finds itself with a potentially hugely damaging story spreading like wildfire and mutating as it travels, which it has done precisely nothing to get out in front of. There is an increasingly widespread assumption that PS4 hardware sold now will be deeply inferior to what appears later this year, especially for PSVR; there's certainly disquiet among the almost 40 million people who have bought PS4s, many of whom now believe that their consoles will be outmoded only a year or two after purchase.

Sony needs to accelerate its communication plans and get out in front of the story to explain what's going on, why it's making these decisions and how it's going to guarantee a good experience for its existing 40 million PS4 customers.

Shocking treatment of its customers.

Thats me then

I don't see why we have to expect to wait 5 years plus for a upgrade,you wouldn't be happy if you had a PC that you couldn't upgrade,besides lets face it Chrysalis a decent top of the range PC graphic card is as much as a brand new console.....Fact

I mean i have seen high end cards costing £500 so middle of the range is £200 to £300.

The problem starts with the development,i mean when they release or start production of new hardware,by the time it comes to market it is probably 2 years out of date from day 1,and then there is the price point which guides them on the specification of the console regarding raw power and grunt.......Do you remember the launch of the panasonic 3DO at £599 at launch which died literally a few months later.

I just wish they would do with consoles what they do with PCs.release a new basic model,then have options of higher spec at a slightly higher price.

I mean in this digital age and the way its going.why on earth would you release brand new next generation consoles with such small 500gig hard drives.

Edited by time2die (Sun 03-Apr-16 16:47:00)

Don't have a lot of choice after 1 year mate now do you,i agree with what you say but standard fare for electrical goods and most other user products is 1 years Warranty .

Of course some electrical goods last decades,i have had things that have packed up after 1 week if not less,in fact my originally playstation 4 was faulty and returned less than a week later.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

you reward sony for your gimped console by buying a new one?

Come on man be fair,i have seen you playing your Jap RPG constantly on Playstation 4 night after night,you telling me you would give all that up if your playstation 4 packed up I very much doubt it and you would buy another one.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

Those who expect the hardware to last 5+ years, and those with brand loyalty will pay up no matter the frequency of new hardware.

I don't have brand loyalty. I have controller preference and a huge Playstation friends list, so I'll likely never buy an Xbox (or another Nintendo). No mystery.

I would be angry if they stopped making games tor the PS4, of course I would. But that's just not going to happen short term. None of us are entitled to better performance. If you buy a sports car in January, then a model refresh comes almg in August with a much better spec, that's just life.

If they stopped making wheels for yours at the same time, that would be unacceptable. But technology moves on, it's the nature of the beast.

There is clear differences tho mate.

The expectation is for consoles, one tier of hardware, lasts for a decent amount of time. All games developed are optimised for that console.

On the PC its the expectation over time you replace your hardware but its generally under your own terms, when amd and nvidia release new hardware, the games generally are still made for the lowest gpu's as thats where the money is, so if you keep your existing GPU games will work as well as they did previously, there is exceptions like when the next gen consoles got released but those are exceptions and not the norm. I am expecting my 970 to serve me well for at least 3 more years.

I am really hoping for my sake and sony's sake that this newer console is just adjustments to things like the bluray drive, hdmi spec and so forth to allow 4k video and bluray rather than some kind of rehaul to the GPU chip used by the games, because if its the latter I have a big problem with that unless I get given a damn good rebate price e.g. 75% of the cost of the 4.5. Unlike with PC's where one can predict when a new GPU is coming, this came pretty much out of the blue, there is still people buying these consoles now at full price. Not everyone was the same as you owning it from launch day.

I am very tempted to sell it, cut my losses and just go without the games that will be exclusive to the platform, thats how angry I feel. I really hope the press have got this wrong with their speculation and its nothing more than a minor upgrade.

You are wrong on the gpu timey as well, I think you have stood by these claims people make about pc gaming been something that is really expensive, it isnt. My 970 cost me circa £270 and my 760 which I sold I got more than half of that money back.

still circa 270 today http://www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-GeForce-Superclocked-Co...

Not to mention vendors like EVGA have their step up program where you get 100% rebate on upgrades, yes 100%, they will pay you brand new cost if you exchange older card for newer model.

This to me will potentially take away one of the big things that made console gaming attractive. Nelly's comments surprised me as well as he said he had budget constraints on his pc which I guess doesnt expand to sony kit buying a £400 new kit later this year.

So what happens if this super GPU is in the 4.5, and the games all run at like 20fps on the ps4, the media will all say its fine because they optimised for the 4.5?

Sega did this, they released a console they believed to be underpowered and thought "ok lets just release another one and hope we get it right this time, everyone will just buy it", well everyone didnt just buy it and sega nearly went broke.

It is commercial suicide, there is not a chance in hell they going to sell the same amount of these as ps4's so they will be left with a fragmented userbase of which the part who dont buy the newer 4k models are going to be left [censored] off.

Edited by Chrysalis (Sun 03-Apr-16 19:39:12)

This to me will potentially take away one of the big things that made console gaming attractive.

But what is more likely to happen is that game content won't live up to expectations on the new model. I still believe this is about helping developers reach the optional 120pfs on VR, rather than the minimum 60.

Nelly's comments surprised me as well as he said he had budget constraints on his pc which I guess doesnt expand to sony kit buying a £400 new kit later this year.

I did, but when I became flush a few months later, I ordered a £350 GPU and still haven't sold my old one. Don't start this fanboy business again please. I was just beginning to empathise with you.

I won't necessarily jump on the 4k Playstation on day one. I might opt for a PSVR first. And if it doesn't upscale to 4k on my 1080p TV, I won't bother at all (although I can't imagine it won't).