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Standard User Andrew_W
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 07-Dec-09 13:16:42
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Re: Is this noise margin variation normal?


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Variations of more than 6dB usually indicate a split pair


What's a split pair?

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 07-Dec-09 13:37:29
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Re: Is this noise margin variation normal?


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When one wire from the orange pair is used, and one from the blue pair.

Rather than the two wires from the same twisted pair. Probably a very common issue particularly on new builds.

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Standard User Andrew_W
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 07-Dec-09 13:45:58
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Re: Is this noise margin variation normal?


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Thanks Andrew. I assume that error, if it exists, could occur anywhere between the exchange and my master socket?

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 07-Dec-09 13:51:48
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Re: Is this noise margin variation normal?


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It could but would be a mistake in the wiring by BT (note the external BT side wiring usually has different colour cores to it, than the internal stuff).

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Standard User Andrew_W
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 07-Dec-09 14:07:41
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Re: Is this noise margin variation normal?


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Well, most of my line is underground but the last 400 yards is overhead and I know for a fact that there are 5 junction boxes in that stretch due to numerous breaks over the years! Could be in one of those wink

If this split pair exists, would it affect the downstream attenuation? I am straight line 2.3km from exchange with 40dB attenuation.

Andrew

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 07-Dec-09 14:08:52
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Nope

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Standard User Andrew_W
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 07-Dec-09 14:12:06
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Roger!!

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Standard User Andrew_W
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 07-Dec-09 17:08:20
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I knew it couldn't last frown

Mon 07 Dec 2009 16:59:09, Noise Margin= 4.5, Sync Speed= 6368, 2 days, 8:35:17

Mon 07 Dec 2009 16:59:24, Noise Margin= -8.0, Sync Speed= 6368, 2 days, 8:35:32

Mon 07 Dec 2009 16:59:54, Noise Margin= 12.5, Sync Speed= 4672, 0 days, 0:00:13

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(deleted) Tue 08-Dec-09 08:40:14
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In reply to a post by Andrew_W:
Well, most of my line is underground but the last 400 yards is overhead and I know for a fact that there are 5 junction boxes in that stretch due to numerous breaks over the years! Could be in one of those wink

If this split pair exists, would it affect the downstream attenuation? I am straight line 2.3km from exchange with 40dB attenuation.


Is the last 400 yards in the street, or is it over your property ?

I inderstand that BT will re-lay the cable for free, if you dig and supply the duct.
Standard User Andrew_W
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 08-Dec-09 09:14:03
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In reply to a post by zebedeee:
Is the last 400 yards in the street, or is it over your property ?

I inderstand that BT will re-lay the cable for free, if you dig and supply the duct.


It's over my property. I dug a trench 200 yards long some years ago to carry a water pipe and can still feel the pain wink Think I would rather put up with the n/m variations!! Nice thought though smile

Andrew

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