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I got quite a lot of stick in the previous post, and have taken feedback into this new petition which I'm sure you'll like a lot more 
Here is a direct link: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/18284
It now only asks for the FTTC date to be brought forward by a year & 1/2 which isn't unreasonable and is very do-able.
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Good luck 
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Best of luck, are we talking 100% of the 85000 BT cabinets enabled with FTTC by your date?
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Your persistent Ill give you that, however I would take stock of previous attempts and come to the conclusion the audience here, is way off target.
BT I GIVE YOU MY LOVE AND ALL YOU WANT IS MY MONEY.
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Best of luck, are we talking 100% of the 85000 BT cabinets enabled with FTTC by your date?
Just a general acceleration of deployment, so if the current target is 80% of BT Cabinets by 2015, that would be brought forward; with the same mix of BT + BDUK.
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And the plan is to whip Openreach harder? Or do you still intend to bypass all health and safety regulations and mandatory training and just rope people in off the street to do skilled telecomms work?
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.... and how do you believe that this 'sped up' roll out would be paid for ?
You have, yet again, proved you don't have a Scooby how it all works.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
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Yeah it smells a bit fishy to me.
or just a big troll.
BE*Unlimited 19004 /1317Kbps
Edited by epyon (Fri 30-Sep-11 19:27:10)
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15 June 2013.
Morning or afternoon?
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still not saying how you will fund it
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I don't think it's the object of a petition to set out logistics. It might give an indication of demand - the biggest threat I perceive to roll-out is low take-up. If take-up wildly exceeds all expectations so far then perhaps there might be a reasonable expectation of better things to come, so does it - or how can the take up in areas already connected be improved?
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Around here we've still only got access to sub-8meg speed, with most of us running at less than 3-4MB, no access to faster services or LLU, which is lower than the national average; this being the case even if it only shows interest I'll sign.
As it stands, I already pay £30 to get a semi-decent 3MB connection on what I've got, I'd be willing to pay a reasonable amount to get a faster connection!
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As it's Conference season here's a silly idea for a politician looking for a gimmick. Infrastructure spending to boost the economy - right? Well, I reckon my village was "lucky" enough to get unexpected FTTC 'cause the county council recently installed a cycle route which necessitated relaying BT ducting so it was easy to blow the fibre through.
So how about aligning a new network of cycle routes with FTTC expansion (both rural and urban, especially for the non-commercial areas) (AFAP) and as a requirement install new ducting. Hey presto government facilitates all its policy objectives:
- superfast broadband
- infrastructure spending to stimulate the economy
- carbon and traffic reduction (more people can work at home and have access to sustainable transport)
- joined-up government.
I'm sure there have been sillier ideas, even or especially in government! Even TBB could up its sustainable credentials with a sideline in cycle tours around scenic local exchanges, Andrew!
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As I guess, all who read or post on this tbb site at least know one end of a light bulb from the other, so it's natural most of us want the fastest connection we can get (given the economics).
However, for the average Joe in th street who just wants to send a few e-mails and do a bit of surfing, there's nothing wrong with 1.5Mbps.
I had that speed for years (even lower before ADSL). Was very happy with it. A bit clunky with graphics content and Microsoft's mega-sized updates, but it worked.
Would't want to go back, but I could if necessary.
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I don't think it's the object of a petition to set out logistics The guidance on my local council's petition site says you have to petition them to do something by specifying an action and it has to be something in their remit.
Otherwise it is a waste of time and just becomes a "somebody should do something about it" moan.
Possible examples :-
A petition calling on the Treasury to provide 100% first year capital allowances on next generation assets
A petition calling on DCMS to invest £500m per year on accelerating the rollout of NGA
etc
As government doesn't actually DO very much, you can only really ask them to change the regulatory or tax environment and hope it achieves something. Either that or drop money from helicopters.
Phil
MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.
MaxDSL diagnostics
Are your kids pirates ? Limewire, Bearshare, Kazaa, BitTorrent, eMule are all tools of the trade.
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have to be the afternoon, I've booked the plumber for the morning
Phil
MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.
MaxDSL diagnostics
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have to be the afternoon, I've booked the plumber for the morning Plumbers and lawyers always seem to be on holiday. I wonder if they go to the same place.
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Dear Mr Government, Apple's Ipad 3 is not coming out until 2013. I can't wait that long and I'm bursting with excitement, so please do something about it.
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"Now then, now then, Boys and Girls.
' Dear Jimmy, could you fix it for me, to have my FTTC date brought forward ?' "
jewellery, jewellery
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If it were up to me, the following would all be in the same trench:
Mains water
Electric
Gas
Telecoms/Broadband
Waste water (sewage)
Drain access
Why waste time always filling over these things with tarmac/concrete when they can be covered with heavy, non-accessible covers. Have them all on pavements. Problem? Lift a cover, fix and replace. A tenth of the time, little or no disruption to roads, and far less cost.
Of course, there's probably a thousand jobsworth excuses for not doing it that way, and perhaps a few decent reasons (electric and gas in proximity). What with them all being able to be plastic encased, there should be no risk. Especially if they aren't covered with tons of earth or concrete, and instead occupy a crawl space.
Ho hum.
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Why waste time always filling over these things with tarmac/concrete when they can be covered with heavy, non-accessible covers. Have them all on pavements. Problem? Lift a cover, fix and replace. A tenth of the time, little or no disruption to roads, and far less cost.
Would make it much easier for those people who make their living from "borrowing" the copper cables from BT
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Why waste time always filling over these things with tarmac/concrete when they can be covered with heavy, non-accessible covers. Have them all on pavements. Problem? Lift a cover, fix and replace. A tenth of the time, little or no disruption to roads, and far less cost.
Would make it much easier for those people who make their living from "borrowing" the copper cables from BT
And so much easier for a muppet in a JCB to knock out ALL the services in one go! Imaging trying to repair all the other pipes and cables with raw sewage all over the place 
I know, why use a JCB if they are in a conduit, but you never know!!
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Hence why I specified 'inaccessible' covers. Something very heavy, requiring specialist equipment to access it. Anyway, if it all got upgraded in the manner I suggested, there wouldn't be copper. Only fibre. 
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Scottish Labour politician: �The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas.�
Interviewer: �Is that a bad thing?�
Scottish Labour politician: �No, but they are doing it deliberately.� |
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if they make the covers of a suitably heavy and robust material all that will happen is that the pikeys will nick those as well.
O2 Standard (8Mbps LLU)
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Not if made to be inaccessible. If heavy enough, and hard enough to access (specialist equipment), they will need to get hold of cranes or cherry pickers. I'm thinking concrete by the way, not metal.
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Interviewer: �Is that a bad thing?�
Scottish Labour politician: �No, but they are doing it deliberately.� |
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Not if made to be inaccessible. If heavy enough, and hard enough to access (specialist equipment), they will need to get hold of cranes or cherry pickers. I'm thinking concrete by the way, not metal. That doesn't sound as though it would make fixing a dodgy connection very cheap. Of any utility.
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Cheaper than destroying and replacing existing pavement/roads. Less time consuming and no materials / trained workmen.
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Scottish Labour politician: �The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas.�
Interviewer: �Is that a bad thing?�
Scottish Labour politician: �No, but they are doing it deliberately.� |
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Sorry, my post was unclear. I was getting at the fact that many utilities can carry out a huge amount of work via existing manholes. Access cost effectively zero.
As I understand your proposal, these would not exist.
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Edited by RobertoS (Tue 04-Oct-11 16:23:15)
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Cheaper than destroying and replacing existing pavement/roads.
debatable, a new gas main or sewer can be trenched into an area at fairly low cost compared to constructing a large underground chamber network. It's not like you need access on a regular basis to these things once they're in.
You might need "trained workmen" to lift your half tonne covers off, and the pikeys will either have the gear already (for scrap cars) or "obtain" it.
Phil
MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.
MaxDSL diagnostics
Are your kids pirates ? Limewire, Bearshare, Kazaa, BitTorrent, eMule are all tools of the trade.
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I think you need to redraft your petition to specify a percentage increase in Income Tax that will pay for this. That way you may get more than the 3 votes that you currently have. On the other hand, it could put off even those three dreamers. I guess that's just a risk that you will have to take.
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Putting gas in the same ducts as electric and telecoms is an explosive combination.
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Don't worry - the water and sewerage will douse any explosion.
Just think when someone puts a JCB through that accidently. You lose electricity, gas, telephone, water supply, and sewerage all in one fell swoop.
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But there wouldn't be any JCB's digging trenches . Unless they belonged to friends of a foreign power, in which case expect a co-ordinated attack.
Mayhem!
Time to buy shares in Portaloo perhaps.
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anynomous --
not particularly
the plan is the plan
as prev said this does not help real petitions that change things
this is a private company investing its own money !!!!
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Only if there's more than one leak. (think about it)
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Scottish Labour politician: �The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas.�
Interviewer: �Is that a bad thing?�
Scottish Labour politician: �No, but they are doing it deliberately.� |
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Well apparently leaks happen over the phone all the time.
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