LLU

I live in a small village which up to now has only BT non LLU available for broadband. Just recently TalkTalk LLU has been made available, I've heard horror stories so not really interested in signing up with them but it may be my only option. I'm with Plusnet which is not a bad service (luckily I'm close to the exchange, my attenuation is 12 down and 8 up) but the bottlenecks I suppose because of contention can be very noticeable in the evenings.

I was wondering if it is possible to check whether any other LLU services are planned? Or if it is likely that other LLU providers will follow now TalkTalk has got a service going?

The other option is to sign up with a reseller so you can be on the TalkTalk network without having to endure the TalkTalk customer service experience ( something I have had first hand experience of trying to sort out an issue for a friends' house move) OR the TalkTalk operated traffic management.

I Intend to take this route myself if my exchange ever gets beyond "targeted" for TalkTalk LLU. You could talk to Vivaciti about available options - and I believe ADSL24 have just started to offer TalkTalk connectivity as well, you may even find that they offer shorter contract terms.

HTH

Edited by deleted (Mon 10-Oct-11 17:55:03)

A couple of recent similarish threads with TT LLU now provided in the exchange and the BB resellers who use the TT network, might be of interest

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Worth the risk with such short distance (12down),

http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/max_speed_calc.php

There might be resellers of TT LLU once it goes live.

In a small village I would not expect other ISP's to think it would be worthwhile.

I am with TT and am very close to the exchange, (3.9 and 1.9) and have no complaints to date.

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There might be resellers of TT LLU once it goes live.

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TT is live and there are resellers, so I don't know what you are saying .

Thanks for that. I've been trying to look into costs for TalkTalk, but - I may be being daft -.but I don't find their site very clear. Is is not possible to get their LLU broadband without using TT for phone as well? If you can only get the bundle then that would kill that option for me.

I'm not familiar with the reseller angle, but if that is the case then cost for me would be a guiding factor. I'm currently I think paying 11.99 per month. For what I use BB for I don't want to pay too much more than that unless there were significant advantages. I'm an average user about 8-9 Gig month and mostly use it to surf, email, bit of streaming etc.

You MUST take the phone if you want their broadband, has been that way since launch in 2006

Indeed it is "sorry".

Our contracts are monthly, not sure many would give a short contract time than that

Something I will consider when I look to migrate then.

I think my meaning to the OP was clear enough when it was posted (1st reply to OP) I was just trying to express to the OP that Resellers offer shorter contracts than the Wholesale provider.. not implying that there were any shorter terms than a month. I often mention this when I read about people worried about TalkTalk being the only LLU on their exchanges. Maybe I'll just shut up in future.

Thanks for replies. Seems like I'm a bit stuck where I am then for the time being as both options - TT or a reseller - has compromises I'd rather not make at present.

I used a BB reseller and to be honest it was just like any thing else. You ordered the service, waited for the install and paid the money. The vivaciti one that replied is as good as any and you get what it said on the tin. I only moved to sky to get anytime+ (the other 1/2 wanted it, she who must be obeyed !).

What are the compromises you are concerned about with regard to the resellers?

Main one for me when moving to Vivaciti was having to go full LLU (Although partial is available now). Also had to pay an extra 20 quid to go unmanaged although this also made it unlimited.

The resellers seem to have more options with regard to the line than talktalk are willing to provide including changes to the target noise margin and removal of any DLM.

Target noise margin and other DLM options are available, generally through the TalkTalk Members forum

Compromise would be on money. I'm paying 11.99 a month and don't want to pay much more than that. So resellers are out I think.

Not sure if this is usual, but a whippersnapper from TT knocked at the door with a big selling pitch (got a sales letter in the post the previous day - not that clear i didn't think about the implications of a sign up, especially for those who are not too knowledgeable about broadband). I said no immediately and went to close the door quite politely. He kept up his patter in a challenging rather smarmy way. Never had a broadband doorstepper of this sort before. Very annoying indeed.

Andrew,

I just can not understand why at a market 2 exchange where TalkTalk is the only LLU provider (other than of course LLU resellers who are not generally known) that there can be any realistic choice (price wise) of an ISP if one wants up to 40GB usage per month.

Some of those market 2 exchanges seem to be stuck with that status for years which makes it impossible to find a deal with an ISP on IP stream, at a reduced cost, due to it not being in a "low cost area."

There seems to be something wrong with the system to me...

As far as I know the only ISP that does "low cost" area pricing is Plusnet, and they now include Market 2 as low cost. I can't remember if it is as low as M3, but I'm sure there is a low price.

Many thanks for the reply Andrew,

I'll get on to Plusnet about that - I'm sure I'm being changed for NOT being In a "low cost area", currently market 2.

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Many thanks for the reply Andrew,

I'll get on to Plusnet about that - I'm sure I'm being changed for NOT being In a "low cost area", currently market 2.

See this post, then this one, then this one.

For more info you could read the whole thread, but it's a bit complex .

RobertoS,

Bob, thanks for that will get on to Plusnet later.

Just to let you know: the SFI is busy at the moment, found no problems at my end. However he detected masses of CRC errors occurring with incoming calls which were causing a resync. He's gone to check the cabinet now and then maybe onto the exchange to sort out the splitter card...

That's looking good .

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Edited by 4M2 (Sat 22-Oct-11 17:24:51)

Bob,

Doesn't appear to work with old Plusnet Pro accounts - the way to do it is to go for a market 3 price then request the Pro add on for a fiver. No new contract required and one can continue getting the service out of contract.

This basically made little difference to my current discounted, uncapped upload, retention account but I could have gone for a higher day/evening usage limit, i.e. from 20GB to 60GB

Edit: my Pro out of contract retention deal would probably have been based on that together with the extra benefit of uncapped upload speed.

Edited by 4M2 (Sat 22-Oct-11 17:42:00)