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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 04-Jan-12 20:30:53
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Huge difference between night and day SNR


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Hello,

My current stats are as follows:

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 5019 kbps 797 kbps
Line Attenuation 43 db 26 db
Noise Margin 9 db 15 db

...and a few seconds later

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 5019 kbps 797 kbps
Line Attenuation 43 db 26 db
Noise Margin 7 db 15 db

...yet at around 1-2PM this!

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 5019 kbps 797 kbps
Line Attenuation 43 db 26 db
Noise Margin 15 db 15 db

Should the Noise Margin fluctuate that much between day and night? It's stopping me from getting the line upcapped and back up to 6Mbit or so.

Sky DG934 plugged straight into BT NTE2000 faceplate.

Thanks.
Standard User nredwood
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 04-Jan-12 20:52:55
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Are you connected at the master socket?

Do you have a test socket behind the master socket and if so have you tried connecting the router here?
http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm

Is the ring wire connected (see link posted above)?

Do you have a Sky box and is it connected to the phone line? If yes, then try double filtering the Sky box connection

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Standard User MHC
(legend) Wed 04-Jan-12 20:55:06
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Yes it certainly can ... there is atmospheric noise, noise created by street lights, noise from radio transmitters and domestic ...

Every location will be different and the noise level can vary significantly.

I have seen some locations where the swing is as low as 3dB and others up to 9dB and typically 5 to 7 dB is where most are.

Get RouterStats Lite and set it to plot your SNT every 30 seconds over a 30 hour period and see what that shows.


Also, get a 2wire2700 modem/router which if conditions are right will sync at 3dB and hold sync to around -0.5dB. Then timing your resync can give you a significant improvement..

If you can do a plot and post a link to an image - even with your current, I should be able to suggest when you your resync.





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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 04-Jan-12 20:59:17
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On a 2.4Km line length my total 24hour noise swing is circa 1dB (monitored using Routerstats (Netgear DG834GT) or Routerstats lite (Billion 7800N).
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 04-Jan-12 21:01:58
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Yep it's in the master socket and no Sky box is connected.

Will download routerstats.

May have to upgrade to Infinity if it gets any worse.

Edited by deleted (Wed 04-Jan-12 21:03:47)

Standard User nredwood
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 04-Jan-12 21:02:59
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Test socket?

Ring wire connected?

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 04-Jan-12 21:06:20
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12:06

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 5019 kbps 797 kbps
Line Attenuation 43 db 26 db
Noise Margin 10 db 15 db
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 04-Jan-12 21:07:15
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12:07

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 5019 kbps 797 kbps
Line Attenuation 43 db 26 db
Noise Margin 7 db 15 db
Standard User MHC
(legend) Wed 04-Jan-12 21:10:32
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Exactly - everyone is different!





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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 04-Jan-12 21:26:35
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nredwood is referring to the test socket, on the wall at the back in this pic. Also what wires are connected to the back of the faceplate when you remove it.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 04-Jan-12 21:27:49
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How long ago did this start, so that you lost the 6Mbps?

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 04-Jan-12 22:30:45
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The line is plugged into the test socket with the ring wire disconnected. I have lost about 1 Mb. My line has progressively got worse over the past few years with my assumption that being that with the increased ADSL uptake in the area the cross talk has also increased. Is crosstalk worse when Infinity hits your area for non-FTTC customers?
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 04-Jan-12 22:43:56
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FTTC isn't supposed to upset ADSLx, there is a lot of frequency masking and power manipulating to keep them separate. It sounds more to me like one or more deteriorating connections somewhere between you and the exchange.

Is there any noise using a (preferably corded) phone directly into the test socket and doing a Quiet line test? 17070 Option 2. Check it at good times and bad times.

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Standard User nredwood
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 04-Jan-12 23:12:30
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Always use a corded analogue phone for the quiet line test

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 04-Jan-12 23:21:28
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In reply to a post by nredwood:
Always use a corded analogue phone for the quiet line test
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If the user hasn't got a corded one, and it is silent with a cordless, then no need to buy one smile. I agree that if noisy with a cordless that is not a reliable result.

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Standard User nredwood
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 04-Jan-12 23:30:36
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I disagree especially as you can get one for under £5 in Argos and other places

e.g http://tinyurl.com/6lj7bny

Hardly a huge expendidure for a reliable test

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 04-Jan-12 23:32:34
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What's a "corded digital phone"? Aren't they all analogue in their calling mechanisms?

Or are you thinking of a corded phone incorporating a digital Answerphone? Does that matter?

Or are you getting at a non-mains powered phone?

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Standard User nredwood
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 04-Jan-12 23:34:52
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Not a fax machine laugh

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