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Hi
I am wanting to reduce my noise margin by 7db but not sue what value to enter as its not in the table on kitz website.
http://www.kitz.co.uk/routers/dg834GT_targetsnr.htm
Can some one please tell me , thank you
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We need to know what value it is at, read immediately after an untweaked reconnection.
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Sorry i did not include that it is 11.9db, thanks
i did -5.5db and these are my stats as of now
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 7776 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 39.0 db 20.5 db
Noise Margin 6.2 db 21.0 db
i want another 200kbps to get a 7mb profile
Edited by deleted (Mon 18-Feb-13 10:13:21)
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Kitz is a bit confusing there, and I don't quite follow the logic either, from my understanding of the way it works. I shall have to check where the validity of "negative" values comes from.
However, if we assume Kitz is right, do you mean you entered adslctl configure --snr 1 ? And that gave you around 6dB?
Which leaves the question of why your target noise margin is at 12dB in the first place.
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However, if we assume Kitz is right, do you mean you entered adslctl configure --snr 1 ? And that gave you around 6dB?
Yes correct 
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Try N = 65519 which is the router's way of representing -17.
But all these figures are only approximate.
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Hi thanks for your reply my starting figure is 12db and want to get down to 5/4.5db.
i see your reply says -17 i would like -7, thank you
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Hi thanks for your reply my starting figure is 12db
Is the noise margin still 12dB when the router is connected to the TEST socket within the NTE5 type master socket.
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Hi
I am wanting to reduce my noise margin by 7db but not sue what value to enter as its not in the table on kitz website.
http://www.kitz.co.uk/routers/dg834GT_targetsnr.htm
Can some one please tell me , thank you You could forget the faffing that probably won't survive a power cycling of the router ,& download &flash the router fw with dgteam fw, that has a the option to lower/raise tsnr from within the GUI, and it sticks, no need to reset everytime you power cycle the router
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i see your reply says -17 i would like -7, thank you You are confusing yourself 
In the table you link, I'm giving the value for N = -17 which is actually represented as N = 65519 for your desired change in NM of -7 dB.
 Just follow my instructions on the label and you will get to the value you want, tho', as pointed out, I can't guarantee whether your router will stand for it.
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Hi there
where would i be able to download the dgteam fw? thank you
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Yes, i am always in the test socket, many thanks
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sorry for the confusion, many thanks for your help
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Well, did it work? What NM did it get to? Would like some feedback.
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Hi there
Am going to do it in the morning , as i have been told its best to re sync the router during daylight hours rather than dark, will post back as soon as i have done it, thank you for you time and effort.
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OK! Yes, daylight would be best.
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Hi there
where would i be able to download the dgteam fw? thank you dgteam f/w DG834GV4_V5.01.16_DGTeam_1018
Is the one i'm using
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here are my stats now
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 7936 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 39.0 db 20.5 db
Noise Margin 5.1 db 21.0 db
i need another 32kbps to get the 7mb profile , , may be take it down by -7.5db? many thanks
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hi thanks for the link
when i try and upload one of the files i get connection was reset , or webpage could not be displayed, i have tried IE, Chrome and FF, any help would be much appreciated , many thanks
Edited by deleted (Tue 19-Feb-13 10:18:30)
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Well that took it down by -6.8 dB. Close enough!
You could just gradually reduce N or try N = 65511 for -7.5 dB.
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i managed to get it working (dgt firmware) with the slide scale if i move it to say 10% or 1% it will only bring the snr down by 6, ( from 12 to 6), how can i bring it down more? thank you
Edited by deleted (Tue 19-Feb-13 10:42:52)
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Do it manually as you had been doing.
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okay i assume it best to do it manually rather than by dgt fw?
many thanks for your time XRaySpeX, your last suggestion kept things nearly the same as my last stats.
not sure why my snr has risen from 6 to 12 through, my line is very clear and do no suffer from disconnects, think i will get an snr rest then lower from there
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You know manually works. DGT just automates what you have been doing and remembers your settings thro' a reboot.
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true i think i need -9 to get the 7mb profile i wish i could understand how to work the values out , i have read the explanation a few times, but it just not syncing in
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N = 65500 for -9 dB is in that table.
I use the formula: N = 100 + 16.7 * dB + (65536 if 1st part negative).
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